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Has the bubble burst?
News and Review ^ | Sep 21 06 | Sasha Abramsky

Posted on 09/22/2006 8:47:25 PM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: Onelifetogive

They can't increase forever at the rate they have in places like Cali.

Eventually, the homes price themselves out of range for people even with interest-only loans and such.

Look at any California community and you'll be shocked. Average income $40k, with an average home price of $400k. It can't go on forever. When only 2% of the entire population of a city can realistically afford a house there, something is wrong.


121 posted on 09/22/2006 9:38:53 PM PDT by RockinRight (She rocks my world, and I rock her world.)
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To: John Galt's cousin

"Did they review the "fine print"(i.e., the terms of the agreement)of the contracts with their attorney?

Either they had attorneys representing them or they didn't. If they had attorney, it's the attorney's duty to read the terms of the agreement.


122 posted on 09/22/2006 9:39:03 PM PDT by stultorum
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To: Sooth2222

Actually I kind of sympathize with these folks to a degree, but have to ask: OK 4000.00 per month after taxes. The house payment went up by 500.00 per month to 2200.00. Now with all their "extras" they can't afford food? How did they "make it" when their housing was only 1700.00 per month? Exactly how much are these "extras"? 2300.00 per month? What kind of cars are they driving? It sounds like they were tapped out even before the interest rates went up.


123 posted on 09/22/2006 9:39:06 PM PDT by boop (Now Greg, you know I don't like that WORD!)
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To: Petronski

Thank you for the correction!


124 posted on 09/22/2006 9:39:41 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: nickcarraway

It is. However, I do think there is some validity in the idea that places like CA that are overpriced in the first place might have some isses. We'll be fine here in flyover country.


125 posted on 09/22/2006 9:39:47 PM PDT by RockinRight (She rocks my world, and I rock her world.)
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To: churchillbuff
Exactly = sounds like some bankers, realtors or lawyers - feel some toe pinching
126 posted on 09/22/2006 9:40:03 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: nopardons

well it's just the SSDD thing...

I'll try to find the story, it was earlier today...


127 posted on 09/22/2006 9:40:28 PM PDT by MikefromOhio ("...America has confronted evil before, and we have defeated it...")
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To: RedRover
I have one of those! I bet you like the program Neat on Discovery Home, right? :-)
128 posted on 09/22/2006 9:40:43 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: Howlin

geeeze, Howlin, enough howling


129 posted on 09/22/2006 9:40:58 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: RockinRight

I truly do wish them well. I hope they make it.


130 posted on 09/22/2006 9:41:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: stultorum
I agree that we should all bury our heads in the sand and not talk about America's ills.

One thing I always tell newbies is to make sure they actually know what they're posting about before they post.

Butt out.

131 posted on 09/22/2006 9:42:17 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: nopardons

Here you go...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1706345/posts


The paranoia is spectacular


132 posted on 09/22/2006 9:42:39 PM PDT by MikefromOhio ("...America has confronted evil before, and we have defeated it...")
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To: Petronski

I finished the rest of the article. They had the house on the market, but they were able to refinance with a fixed and kept it instead. I wonder if we'll see more of that as fixed rates keep dropping. That could take some supply off the market, and would be bad for the doomsday scenario.


133 posted on 09/22/2006 9:42:48 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: elmer fudd
That's more than a little bit backwards.

If you buy a stock, even on margin and the price falls and you sell it, you lose your money immediately. If, OTOH, you don't sell your stock and ride it out, probably you only have a paper loss.

The same things is reversed, IF you can't pay your mortgage and default. You lose your home AND you lose whatever equity you have in it; however, since you don't have any equity with an all interest mortgage, you haven't lost what the value of the house used to be or has become. You didn't have any money in it.

If you own your house and don't have to move, you don't "lose" anything at all, when/if prices go down. Neither do you GAIN anything, when/if prices go up......until you sell your house.

134 posted on 09/22/2006 9:43:14 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: maine-iac7

How utterly unoriginal.


135 posted on 09/22/2006 9:44:31 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: Moonman62

I didn't read the article, but I'm not surprised: they had to eat the prepayment penalty in a refi and now they keep their home.

Next time, they MIGHT read the disclosures.


136 posted on 09/22/2006 9:44:55 PM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Petronski

"The reality is that the borrowers were supplied with a Note and Truth-in-Lending which outlined (a) how the rate could adjust, (b) when it would first adjust, and (c) how to calculate the adjustments."

Of course, you are correct, Petronski. But my experience with RE borrowers is that they get a bit giddy and euphoric, and have a tendency NOT to read the fine print.


137 posted on 09/22/2006 9:45:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: elmer fudd

If you knew how many people were buying stocks (or gold) on margin, you'd be shocked.


138 posted on 09/22/2006 9:46:06 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: volunbeer
A poster on the other thread said the price of gold/silver would continue to appreciate over time due to a limited supply.

Be careful with those people. Good grief.

139 posted on 09/22/2006 9:46:26 PM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Petronski
The final poison pill--a $7,300 penalty if they chose to seek new financing during the first three years--discouraged the Philbrooks from refinancing once high rates kicked in. Not understanding the first three provisions, the couple were not fully appreciative of the dangers of this refinancing clause.

Yes, it was one year longer than the fixed period.

The interest rate is better in such scenarios, but as you see it's not always rosy to do that. Of course it depends-on an $80,000 loan with a 1% prepay penalty, that's $800-hardly enough to inhibit refinancing, but theirs was 3% on a much larger loan.

140 posted on 09/22/2006 9:46:31 PM PDT by RockinRight (She rocks my world, and I rock her world.)
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