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Reborn (Schiavo supporters may have been right.)
Guardian Unlimited ^ | September 12 2006 | Helen Pidd

Posted on 09/16/2006 8:44:44 AM PDT by Jawn33

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To: beckysueb

It wasn't a cheap shot. It was pretty darn accurate.


221 posted on 09/18/2006 4:57:40 PM PDT by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary
It wasn't a cheap shot. It was pretty darn accurate.

So you are saying that Michael prevented people from trying to feed his wife orally because he was worried that it might endanger her? Can you explain why he would be worried about such a thing, given that he'd already tried to kill her by blocking treatment for a urinary-tract infection?

222 posted on 09/18/2006 5:06:44 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: beckysueb
How many here have had to walk that lonely path that Mike did, and how many here actually read all the the court filings and rulings by the Florida courts and NOT the spin put on by the media? (chirp-chirp-chirp)

So wait...he didn't try to deny her treatment for a UTI (painful in and of itself) that might have led to sepsis? My brother was septic a couple of years ago, so bad he crashed twice on the operating table while they were trying to remove the core infection...he says it was the worst pain he's ever been in, and this is a guy who once had his calves crushed between two cars.

He didn't whack her cats when a home was available? He didn't melt down her wedding ring? Forgive me if I forget to have sympathy for a guy who does these things to his wife.

He didn't do this tap dance?

Second, Michael Schiavo has been acting so weird he makes Hunter S. Thompson look like Joe Friday. If we believe his court testimony, the timeline goes like this: Some years prior to Terri’s collapse she told him that she would never want to “live on a machine” or be a burden. Yet in 1992, his lawyer told a jury Michael might need enough money to take care of her for another half-century. Michael proclaimed from the witness stand that he would become a nurse and take care of her “for the rest of [his] life.” By 1993, he had stopped rehabilitation (which was showing promising results), had put a “Do not resuscitate” order in her chart, tried to deny her antibiotic treatment for an infection, melted down her wedding ring and euthanized her cats.

In other words, he ignored what she said about being a burden, then swore in court to take on the burden, but decided a few months later it was too much of a burden.

Something's rotten in Pinellas Park
Freeport Ink
March 3, 2005

BTW, if her desire to avoid being fed by a tube was so memorable and important to him as a loving husband, why did he not only not remember it from the 1990 collapse until the 1993 cessation of therapy, but also not remember or mention it from 1993 to 1998?

She wanted off the tube so much he fought tooth and nail for seven years to honor her wish, but only after he either forgot it or ignored it for eight years. If you're really buying that, I have a bridge to sell you.

223 posted on 09/18/2006 11:16:15 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Now they will know better than to fight a martial arts master who is also made of gelatin!")
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To: beckysueb

Aw crap becky, I misread your post and blasted you. Sorry, mea culpa.


224 posted on 09/18/2006 11:18:50 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Now they will know better than to fight a martial arts master who is also made of gelatin!")
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To: Traveler59
How many here have had to walk that lonely path that Mike did, and how many here actually read all the the court filings and rulings by the Florida courts and NOT the spin put on by the media? (chirp-chirp-chirp)

So wait...he didn't try to deny her treatment for a UTI (painful in and of itself) that might have led to sepsis? My brother was septic a couple of years ago, so bad he crashed twice on the operating table while they were trying to remove the core infection...he says it was the worst pain he's ever been in, and this is a guy who once had his calves crushed between two cars.

He didn't whack her cats when a home was available? He didn't melt down her wedding ring? Forgive me if I forget to have sympathy for a guy who does these things to his wife.

He didn't do this tap dance?

Second, Michael Schiavo has been acting so weird he makes Hunter S. Thompson look like Joe Friday. If we believe his court testimony, the timeline goes like this: Some years prior to Terri’s collapse she told him that she would never want to “live on a machine” or be a burden. Yet in 1992, his lawyer told a jury Michael might need enough money to take care of her for another half-century. Michael proclaimed from the witness stand that he would become a nurse and take care of her “for the rest of [his] life.” By 1993, he had stopped rehabilitation (which was showing promising results), had put a “Do not resuscitate” order in her chart, tried to deny her antibiotic treatment for an infection, melted down her wedding ring and euthanized her cats.

In other words, he ignored what she said about being a burden, then swore in court to take on the burden, but decided a few months later it was too much of a burden.

Something's rotten in Pinellas Park
Freeport Ink
March 3, 2005

BTW, if her desire to avoid being fed by a tube was so memorable and important to him as a loving husband, why did he not only not remember it from the 1990 collapse until the 1993 cessation of therapy, but also not remember or mention it from 1993 to 1998?

She wanted off the tube so much he fought tooth and nail for seven years to honor her wish, but only after he either forgot it or ignored it for eight years. If you're really buying that, I have a bridge to sell you.

225 posted on 09/18/2006 11:19:31 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Now they will know better than to fight a martial arts master who is also made of gelatin!")
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To: Sioux-san

Yours is one the BEST posts I have seen!


226 posted on 09/19/2006 5:18:15 AM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: Mr. Silverback
Wow! Another great post. I agree with everything you've said here on this thread. Great posts.

You know, folks can argue "Terri's wishes" all they want to. In reality, they have no clue as to what her wishes were. No one can say factually they knew what she would have wanted, especially not based on some conversatin most likely made in a time of great emotional stress (visiting an old woman, Michael's grandmother, while she was on a ventilator). It's really frightening though to see so called "conservatives" argue that her death was legal; that the rule of law was upheld. There are just some things that are more important than "laws", one of them being preservation of the lives of innocents of which Terri was one.

227 posted on 09/19/2006 5:30:50 AM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: Traveler59
However I feel this one-sided "Michael Schiavo bashing" and the just plan ignorant statements need to be challenged, especially when made by individuals who have no idea what it is like to watch someone you love dearly pass away before your eyes.

What disease was Theresa Shiavo dying from?

228 posted on 09/19/2006 7:34:52 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Traveler59
especially when made by individuals who have no idea what it is like to watch someone you love dearly pass away before your eyes.

Imagine having to stand by and watch your daughter die by dehydration at the hands of a man who has gone on with his life and being helpless to stop it.

229 posted on 09/19/2006 8:03:19 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

No problem. I did the same thing to T'wit. This is a highly emotionally charged subject.


230 posted on 09/19/2006 3:27:53 PM PDT by beckysueb (KOmmies are really nothing but DUmmies with better PR.)
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To: Cicero

--There's no question that Terri Schiavo was murdered, with the help and support of liberal politicians and judges.

It wasn't just that a judge ordered her to die of thirst, a most painful form of death. It was also that her husband refused to allow her to have any treatment or proper medical supervision during the years she was in the hospice. She wasn't even allowed to have the blinds up or to have the nurses talk to her.

This poor, brave woman survived for years despite being condemned to what amounted to an isolation cell by her husband. Obviously there was someone in there who wanted to live, or she would have died much sooner of pure sensory deprivation.

Not to speak of the fact that her husband may well have put her into the hospital in the first place. And of the fact that he abandoned his wife for another woman, yet refused to hand over the guardianship to her parents, because he wanted to inherit her money, which he had fraudulently refused to spend on her health care--

1. Technically yes, Terri Schiavo was murdered with the help of liberal politicians and judges ... but:

Our sides hands are not enitrely clean, either. Let me explain why. I was lead to believe at the time of the Schiavo "crisis" (early 2005) that Terri was lucid and aware of her surroundings. Why did I believe this? Because "Dr." Frist told me so. He said, viewing tapes of Terri in bed, that with a good deal of therapy she'd be a functioning person; that she was looking at what was around her, etc. If the results of her autopsy are true, however, and I've heard no creditable disputation of the results, THIS WAS ALL HOGWASH ON FRIST'S PART. Less than half of Terri's brain remained, the rest of her cranium was filled with fluid. She was blind and no more aware of her surroundings than a potted plant, maybe less so. Now this was no excuse to kill Terri, especially as written instructions to eschew heroic measures approved by her did not exist. But Terri must have had no idea she was dying; she was incapable of feeling discomfort, let alone pain. I feel betrayed because I was quite enraged at the time; I sincerely wanted Gov. Bush (as gutless as any member of his family BTW) to have the hospice stormed and Terri "rescued." Such a rescue, even if successul, would have been for naught; all the therapy in the world wasn't bringing Terri back, she was nothing but a shell.

2. Terri didn't suffer sensory deprivation; she had no senses left to be deprived if the autopsy report is true.

3. I firmly believe that Michael somehow assaulted Terri somehow (there seemed to be no obvious sign of blunt trauma though) and that is what caused her brain damage; that is also why he waited so long to dial 911. Michael Schiavo, along with OJ, Robert Blake and (honorable mention) Claus von Bulow belong to the "I killed my wife and got away with it club." No doubt in my mind.

3. Yes he wanted Terri to die, and wouldn't relinquish custody to her parents, because he wanted to take her life insurance ASAP, no doubt there either.

4. There is a moral to this, and read carefully.

If you have children--daughters especially--make this point crystal clear:

You WILL NOT give your blessings or any support to their marriage, or even ATTEND THEIR WEDDING--unless and if only--they agree to sign a durable power of attorney stating that, in case they are incapacitated and unable to make their own medical decisions, that you, the PARENTS, not the spouse, will be the primary determiner of medical care. This cuts the spouse out of medical decisions as long as one parent is alive and lucid.

Laws making the spouse primarily responsible for the medical care and decisions of an incapacitated spouse were written back when parents didn't live as long as they do now, so the spouse would be the only one around to make decisions for the married child. Nowadays, parents live well into their 80s with sound minds, so there is no reason a mere spouse should usurp them. Spouses come and go, but a parent is a parent forever. After all, that nice young man your daughter brings home might be the next Richard Speck. How can you be sure? There are plenty of cases of a spouse having nefarious intent toward his/her mate; nefarious intent by a parent against an adult child is virtually unknown. Just something to keep in mind.


231 posted on 09/27/2006 6:34:36 AM PDT by katyusha (Those who fail history are doomed to go to summer school)
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To: bvw

I honestly don't feel as though my wife and I are doing anything that a loving parent wouldn't do for there child.

You might say there are fewer loving parents, i don't believe that.

I really believe that we must not base or perceptions on what comes from the MSM, for them it's all about the next freak show they can put on to get us to tune in, so they can sell us things we really don't need.

Most TV is a carnival freak show!


232 posted on 10/01/2006 5:25:03 PM PDT by qman
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To: qman

Yes, America is full of hearts of gold like those of you and your family.


233 posted on 10/02/2006 7:16:12 PM PDT by bvw
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