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Biologist says evolution, religion can coexist
Lawrence Journal World ^
| 9/8/06
| Kenneth Miller
Posted on 09/09/2006 8:39:07 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: 43north
How do we even know what God's image is? What difference does it make in context of what we are discussing. If we can evolve into
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posted on
09/09/2006 10:17:27 PM PDT
by
csense
To: 43north
How do we even know what God's image is? What difference does it make in context of what we are discussing. If we can evolve into
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posted on
09/09/2006 10:17:53 PM PDT
by
csense
To: 43north
How do we even know what God's image is? What difference does it make in context of what we are discussing. If we can evolve intohis image, whatever it may be, then why can we not evolve away from his image.
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posted on
09/09/2006 10:18:37 PM PDT
by
csense
To: 43north
I have Faith that God will keep things under control and that if we evolve further, it will be in a positive direction towards Him, not away.From reading your posts, it seems to me that you have more faith in evolution, than you do in God.
Maybe it's time for you to choose....
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posted on
09/09/2006 10:21:52 PM PDT
by
csense
To: curiosity
Evolution...buh-wah ha ha ha. What I love about that term is nobody understands what it means.
All life that exists today is all that is left over from billions of years, billions of life forms that are now extinct. What you see today is the left-overs who have managed to survive because they were lucky enough to have that special something. That is evolution. We are all left overs, we are the ones stuck in the mud, everything else has moved on.
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posted on
09/09/2006 10:22:51 PM PDT
by
Screamname
(By God someone help me, Hillary is my Senator!)
To: Theo
DARWINIANISM IS AN ATTACK AGAINST THE ATONING SACRIFICE OF JESUS. SOUNDS DRASTIC, BUT IT REALLY IS.
Your paranoia is not evidence of any deliberate motive on behalf of an anti-Christian motive in Charles Darwin's work.
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posted on
09/09/2006 10:24:10 PM PDT
by
Dimensio
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To: Screamname
All life that exists today is all that is left over from billions of years, billions of life forms that are now extinct. What you see today is the left-overs who have managed to survive because they were lucky enough to have that special something. That is evolution. We are all left overs, we are the ones stuck in the mud, everything else has moved on. We who have survived are the ones who have "moved on." Those who got "stuck in the mud" are extinct.
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posted on
09/09/2006 10:25:51 PM PDT
by
Coyoteman
(I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
To: taxesareforever
For those Christians who think God really created the earth in 6 days because it says so in the bible, please read carefully the words of Jesus:
Matthew 16:6-12
"Be careful," Jesus said to them. "Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees." They discussed this among themselves and said, "It is because we didn't bring any bread." Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, "You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? Do you still not understand? Don't you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? How is it you don't understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees." Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
God/Jesus speaks to us in parables. The bible is filled with them. So why are you so hung up on believing in 6 literal days when all of science proves you wrong? Why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? See beyond the words printed in the bible to the important CONCEPTS that lie there.
To: csense
If your answer is, that he guides evolution, then you have just defeated your premise, since randomness becomes incoherent.
A postiton that I have encountered is that "randomness" is an accurate word to describe the arrangement as far as humans are able to comprehend, but it is not truly "random" to God's plan, which is beyond human comprehension. While I am an atheist, I cannot find fault with this particular position.
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posted on
09/09/2006 10:29:47 PM PDT
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Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: csense
I have chosen the path of science to explore the wonders of God's Creation. Every day I learn things that make me marvel and wonder at His presence in our World from the microcosmic to the macrocosmic.
I am happy with that. I hope you are happy with whatever path you have chosen.
As long as we end up at the same place does it really make a difference?
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posted on
09/09/2006 10:30:08 PM PDT
by
43north
(7 of 11 living things are insects. This explains liberals and islamofascists.)
To: microgood
Many evolutionists believe the fact that we look the way we do is a result of a random unguided process
There is no scientific evidence of guidance in the process. This does not mean that the process is unguided, it means only that any guidance that may have been involved is thus far undetectable. Thus, an accurate representation is that the process is "apparently" unguided, not that it is without question unguided.
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09/09/2006 10:33:23 PM PDT
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Dimensio
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To: Theo
As futile as it seems, I would have followed up with...
Romans 1:19-25
19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
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posted on
09/09/2006 10:45:04 PM PDT
by
loboinok
(Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
To: Dimensio
A postiton that I have encountered is that "randomness" is an accurate word to describe the arrangement as far as humans are able to comprehend, but it is not truly "random" to God's plan, which is beyond human comprehension. I think you're equating philosophy and science here unnecessarily. I would agree that science is not able to comprehend the actions of God, but that is not to say that man, in his reasoning, can not [and understand that reasoning does not necessarily equate to the empirical]
To say, on the one hand, that a process is random, yet on the other hand, say that it is deterministic as directed by the incomprehensible actions of God...is rather sloppy logic, to put it bluntly.
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posted on
09/09/2006 10:55:45 PM PDT
by
csense
To: frogjerk
What if God is CHANGE? What if God IS change? Get it?
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posted on
09/09/2006 10:56:16 PM PDT
by
USMMA_83
(Tantra is my fetish ;))
To: canuck_conservative; Torie; 43north
Science is the observation and understanding of the rules and principles operating in (dare I say it again) God's universe.For by studying the creation, one can gain a greater understanding and appreciation of his Creator.
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posted on
09/09/2006 11:01:06 PM PDT
by
uglybiker
(Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
To: joesmoe25
See beyond the words printed in the bible to the important CONCEPTS that lie there.What concepts? That you are more intelligent than the God who created the heavens and the earth and everything in them? Sorry, I could not find that anywhere in the Bible. Jesus spoke to the disciples in parables. They did not see the big picture because not everything had been fulfilled. We have seen everything fulfilled in His Holy Word. He does not speak to us in parables, He speaks to us thru his written Word. Beware: Revelations 22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.
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posted on
09/09/2006 11:03:35 PM PDT
by
taxesareforever
(Never forget Matt Maupin)
To: taxesareforever
Interesting thing about the parables is that Christ spoke to the masses in parables but always explained the parables to his disciples. So we this day have benefit of what he said in parables and what the parables mean.
To: Jessarah
Evolution requires millions of years of death,pain, and disease. Christianity requires a creation that was "good" in the beginning. Death,decay, and disease did not happen until the first man and woman were cursed. You are assuming the Bible is referring to physical death. Upon what basis?
To: Just mythoughts
You are absolutely right.
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posted on
09/09/2006 11:13:11 PM PDT
by
taxesareforever
(Never forget Matt Maupin)
To: 43north
I have chosen the path of science...I am happy with that. I hope you are happy with whatever path you have chosen. As long as we end up at the same place does it really make a difference?You tell me. What does science say about the destination of two different bodies in motion on different vectors.
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posted on
09/09/2006 11:25:50 PM PDT
by
csense
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