Posted on 09/08/2006 9:58:02 AM PDT by Howlin
I think Klintoons put in place two types of folks--both designed to destroy the Republic as we know it.
1. Conscious clever destructive deliberate sabateurs. I think Reno may have been in that category though not so clever. I think much of her destructiveness was deliberate.
2. Stupid idiots who couldn't help from being destructtive
by reason of their utter incompetence.
The reason that we all KNOW that this is a very serious time, is because of the fact that today, there is a vast amount of knowledge available, often within an almost unimaginable short time, that has never before been made available to so many people outside of the inner circles of power. Even when more and more people could read and books and pamphlets were suddenly available to the masses, many people still could not read and it took a rather long time to get news of any kind. And don't forget that until very recently, most people were spoon-fed just bits and pieces of "news".
FDR was a Socialist. His cabinet and closest advisers were Socialists/MARXISTS/ and card carrying Commies. How many Americans do you think actually knew that, at that time?
He tried to pack to SCOTUS. He would have gotten away with that, if a few GOPers hadn't had the strength to stand up for the Constitution. OTOH, he WAS able to get a lot of Socialist garbage pushed through and down Americans' throats!
That's just the tip of the historical iceberg, though.
But today, as so many of us know the facts, so quickly, talk about them, and try to get this knowledge passed on to others, we have the chance to at least stop the Dem dream of taking over one or both Houses this year, as well as stopping Hillary from becoming president. The VERY stupid letter, sent and signed by Reid and his cohorts WAS not only a shot across the bowe of Disney, but the first lit match set at the corner of our Constitution.
BTTT
I THINK YOU ARE ENTIRELY ACCURATE on all points.
Thanks.
Thanks! :-)
Not much they can do as I see things. It's already Saturday. Folks will be mowing their lawns, cooking in the back yard, and just living their lives. Not many folks are anxious to tune in to Nancy Pelosi or Dick Durbin's latest rants.
Then on Sunday there are football games and then the Mini-Series. On Monday morning, it's water cooler time.
I can't wait.
L
Haven't you two seen the following article posted at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1692140/posts
Here are some excerpts that I think speak to our exchanges above:
The Shadow Party: FrontPage Interviews Co-Author Richard Poe
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | August 29, 2006 | Jamie Glazov
Posted on 08/29/2006 4:12:51 PM MDT by Richard Poe
A new book by David Horowitz and Richard Poe has enraged the Left and alarmed many conservatives. It exposes the machinations of a radical clique working at the highest levels of government and finance to undermine American power. That book is The Shadow Party: How George Soros, Hillary Clinton and Sixties Radicals Seized Control of the Democratic Party. It hit the New York Times bestseller list in its first week in print.
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FP: So what exactly is the Shadow Party?
Poe: The Shadow Party is the real power driving the Democrat machine. It is a network of radicals dedicated to transforming our constitutional republic into a socialist hive.
[Qx: worse than that--into a unit of the global slaves to the coming global oligarchy already ruling the DIMRAT party.]
The leader of these radicals is multibillionaire George Soros. He has essentially privatized the Democratic Party, bringing it under his personal control. The Shadow Party is the instrument through which he exerts that control.
[Qx: Though I suspect that he, too is but a puppet, though a very high ranking one.]
FP: How does it work?
Poe: It works by siphoning off hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign contributions that would have gone to the Democratic Party in normal times, and putting those contributions at the personal disposal of Mr. Soros. He then uses that money to buy influence and loyalty where he sees fit.
[Qx: That's just the tip of even his ice berg, imho.]
In 2003, Soros set up a network of privately-owned groups which acts as a shadow or mirror image of the Party. It performs all the functions we would normally expect the real Democratic Party to perform, such as shaping the Party platform, fielding candidates, running campaigns, and so forth. However, it performs these functions under the private supervision of Mr. Soros and his associates.
The Shadow Party derives its power from its ability to raise huge sums of money. By controlling the Democrat pursestrings, the Shadow Party can make or break any Democrat candidate by deciding whether or not to fund him.
[Qx: The huge sums of money are mere pocket change for political games that the oligarchy controls. I've seen calculations that put the sums of money that the oligarchy controls other than the political slush funds in the truly stratospheric ranges--as in trillions]
During the 2004 election cycle, the Shadow Party raised more than $300 million for Democrat candidates, prompting one of its operatives, MoveOn PAC director Eli Pariser, to declare, Now its our party. We bought it, we own it
[Qx: Actually, they feel that way toward the whole planet already]
FP: Everyone knows that Soros has poured money into MoveOn. Can you name some other Shadow Party groups?
Poe: The Shadow Party is always changing. New groups form and old ones dissolve. For instance, America Coming Together -- which raised $135 million for Democrat get-out-the-vote drives in 2004 has been mothballed, at least for now. The most active Shadow Party groups today are probably the Center for American Progress, America Votes, Democracy Alliance, the New Democrat Network, the New Politics Institute, ACORN and, of course, MoveOn.org.
FP: How does Soros use his influence over the Party?
Poe: He uses it to push the Party leftward. He is systematically purging the Party of moderates and packing it with radicals. For instance, the Shadow Party ousted Senator Joseph Lieberman in favor of Ned Lamont, because Lieberman refused to support a cut-and-run policy in Iraq.
[Qx: Again, this is but the tip of the iceberg. Arkanicide would be like child's play compared to their already settled plans. Stupidly, Shrillery et al think they'll be king of the resulting heap--when, in fact, they'll be amongst the first to go--stoolies always are and have been throughout history. The tale of the Christian FBI agent who happened upon FBI red and green lists 'for extermination' --and his own name was on one of the lists--comes to mind]
FP: Isnt that just politics as usual, though wealthy fat cats funding their favorite candidates?
Poe: Funding ordinary candidates, be they Democrats or Republicans, would be politics as usual. Funding radical candidates who seek Americas destruction is not. Money is a tool. It can be used for good or evil. The Shadow Party is using it for evil.
[Qx: PLEASE AVOID UNDERESTIMATING THIS SENTENCE: "Funding radical candidates WHO SEEK AMERICA'S DESTRUCTION IS NOT."
Soros and company are NOT about "reforming" America. They are about DESTROYING IT about as utterly as they can get away with. They see no other way for the global government to rise up successfully. And, key ones of their group have the notion that America should be essentially a national park for the elite anyway--with virtually all evidence of mankind erased from the terrain except in a small number of power centers populated by a tiny fraction of the country's current population.]
FP: Does the Shadow Party really seek to destroy America?
Judge for yourself. In his new book The Age of Fallibility, Soros writes, The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States. He announced in 2003 that it is necessary to puncture the bubble of American supremacy. Soros is working systematically to achieve that goal.
[Qx: PLEASE REREAD THAT PARAGRAPH. Again, as hideous as those sentences are, they are the tip of the ice berg. "The main obstacle . . . is the United States." And George Soros, Shrillery et al FOR 8 YEARS AND MORE OVERTLY AND MUCH LONGER COVERTLY HAVE BEEN DOING ALL THEY COULD HUMANLY AND WITH literal DEMONIC ASSIST DO TO DESTROY OUR BELOVED COUNTRY. That's a big part of what the castrating of our military and treason with China was all about.]
On the economic front, he is shorting the dollar in global currency markets, trying to force a devaluation. At the same time, Soros is orchestrating a nationwide movement to encourage mass immigration into the United States, and to mandate the provision of free social services to illegal immigrants. These measures alone have the potential to bankrupt the nation. However, if they fail, Soros has another program that will certainly finish the job. A long-time Soros operative named Jeffrey Sachs has been placed in charge of the United Nations Millennium Project a global war on poverty designed to transfer wealth from rich countries to poor ones. Sachs is currently demanding that American taxpayers turn over $140 billion per year to his global welfare bureaucracy.
[Qx: He and they care not a flip about the poor of the world. They merely use them as a pretext to steal more robustness and viability from the US economy etc.]
On the political front, Soros has poured massive funding into such groups as the ACLU, which uses lawsuits to hamstring the War on Terror. Soros also funds Amnesty International, whose US executive director has called for the arrest of President Bush as a war criminal. Another Soros-funded group, The Center for Constitutional Rights, has drawn up detailed articles of impeachment against the President.
[Qx: The arrest of the President and staff would be just the beginning on his/their wish list. You'll likely think me mad--but he will not rest until he's bested Hitler on the final solution for Jews and Christians alike. The script was written more than 2,000 years ago. And George Soros is gleeful to be filling his role in the script. EVEN IF the rumors of USA death camps were not real--George would build them as fast as his billions could set them up once he was unalterably in power. His hatred of Christians is truly demonic. Utterly and literally demonic. It's just true. I wish it weren't.]
FP: Why dont more Americans know that Soros is pushing these destructive policies?
Poe: The Shadow Party operates through deception. It uses the Democratic Party as camouflage. By posing as ordinary Democrats, Shadow Party candidates trick mainstream voters into supporting them. Their true agenda remains concealed. As Soros writes in The Age of Fallibility, [T]he Democratic Party does not stand for the policies that I advocate; indeed, if it did, it could not be elected.
[Qx: Not only could it not be elected, it'd be imprisoned were all the facts known.]
The fact is, Soros aspires to establish a neo-socialist order in America. In the Atlantic Monthly of February 1997, he wrote, The main enemy of the open society, I believe, is no longer the communist but the capitalist threat.
[Qx: And he hates Christians even more than capitalists]
FP: Tell me about Soros efforts to rewrite the U.S. Constitution.
Poe: Mr. Soros advocates deep structural change in our system of government. In April 2005, Yale Law School hosted an event called, The Constitution in 2020, whose stated goal was to formulate a progressive vision of what the Constitution ought to be. Of the events five institutional sponsors, one was Soros flagship foundation The Open Society Institute, and two others were Soros-funded Shadow Party groups; the Center for American Progress and the American Constitution Society. We nicknamed that event the Shadow Constitutional Convention.
[Qx: Right! PROGRESSIVE all the way back to Soddom and Gomorrah and worse. Get rid of Christians, Jews and useless eaters polluting our planet beyond survivability. That's the party line. REGRESSIVE BACK TO HELL is the real goal. But Soros probably is one of the oligarchy who believes that satan will WIN at Armageddon.]
FP: What parts of our Constitution does Soros want to change?
[Qx: Essentially--ALL OF IT. He wants a global dictatorship ruled by a Machiavellian Marxist satanist. Sorry, folks, it's merely the truth.]
Poe: He appears to have a special animus against the Bill of Rights. Take freedom of worship, for instance. Soros seems to favor some sort of religious apartheid, with fundamentalist Christians banished to a socio-political Bantustan. For example, in a New Yorker interview of October 18, 2004, he said of President Bush, The separation of church and state, the bedrock of our democracy, is clearly undermined by having a born-again President.
[Qx: And, he feels the planet is polluted beyond viability and held back from enlightened progress because of all the Christians in the way--a problem he plans to eliminate once and for all.]
Then theres the Second Amendment. Soros has provided massive funding to anti-gun groups and anti-gun litigators. The unprecedented assault on gun rights during the 1990s was largely bankrolled by Soros.
[Qx: Yeah. guns are very inconvenient to his plans. They make the roundups for the box cars at the planned 0300-04:00 more troublesome.]
FP: You and David Horowitz have also accused Soros of promoting political censorship in America.
Poe: Most Americans do not realize that the McCain-Feingold Act of 2002 was a Trojan Horse. Its stated purpose was to reform campaign finance law. Its actual effect is to regulate political speech. McCain-Feingold Act was a Shadow Party initiative. Soros and a group of leftwing foundations spent over $140 million to get it passed.
[Qx: And, as Rush and others have pointed out today, IF THE DIMRATS GET IN POWER, Conservatives (and probably Christians) would have to give equal time to opponents on radio, TV etc. Rush or O'Reilly--I forget which--has seen the documentation of such plans. Not the Christian part, as far as I know. But the documentation of the other political equal time part. I just know that the Christian part would be close on the heels of that]
Heres how it works. McCain-Feingold authorizes federal election officials to decide who may or may not run political advertisements during election season, and what sorts of ads they may run. In September 2004, a federal judge expanded McCain-Feingolds reach by ordering the FEC to begin censoring the Internet. Blogger outrage forced the FEC to back down, but McCain-Feingold remains on the books. Sooner or later, it will be enforced, to the full extent its creators envisioned. We can thank Mr. Soros for these developments.
[Qx: Sooner or later enforced, indeed. And then some]
FP: Of course, we can also thank Republican Senator John McCain, who co-sponsored the bill.
[Qx: RINO MC CHURIAN. I never have been joking when using that label.]
Poe: Yes, but McCain has a long history of collusion with the Shadow Party.
During the 2000 presidential campaign, Soros sponsored two so-called Shadow Conventions, held at the same time and in the same cities as the Republican and Democratic Conventions, in Philadelphia and Los Angeles respectively. Their purpose was to promote campaign finance reform. John McCain gave the keynote speech at the Philadelphia Soros Convention (as columnist Robert Novak dubbed it), while Russ Feingold did so at the LA event.
[Qx: Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding! Wake up USA!]
McCains service to the Shadow Party brought him financial benefits. In 2001, McCain founded the Reform Institute for Campaign and Election Issues. The Institutes major funders were mostly leftwing foundations. Prominent among them was George Soros Open Society Institute.
[Qx: McChurian has been on the take for decades. Has evidently been a family tradition]
FP: It seems ironic that Soros spent ten years lobbying for campaign finance reform, only to emerge as one of the biggest influence buyers in Washington.
[Qx: Ironic isn't the word for it. Machiavellian is.]
Poe: As I said, the McCain-Feingold Act was a Trojan Horse. It made the Shadow Party possible. Among other things, it forced the Democratic Party into a financial crisis, enabling Soros to swoop in and buy up the Party at a bargain-basement price.
[Qx: Machiavellianism is like breathing for Bw*tch Shrillery, Soros, Dillbo Billdo, Scuba Teddy et al]
Democrats have traditionally relied on large, soft-money donations from unions, while Republicans relied more on small, hard-money donations from mom-and-pop donors. When McCain-Feingold outlawed soft-money donations to the parties, Republicans were not unduly hampered, but Democrats flew into a panic. They faced the real possibility of bankruptcy.
Enter George Soros. After forcing the Democrats into a fiscal crisis, he then offered to rescue them. He set up a network of non-profit, issue-advocacy groups the Shadow Party and invited all the big Democrat donors to contribute to his network. Thus they could still contribute to the Democrat cause, but without giving directly to the Party. The Party became dependent on Soros to raise campaign contributions which the law now forbade the Party itself to raise.
FP: You and David Horowitz charge that Hillary Clinton has a secret alliance with Soros.
Poe: Thats right. They have to keep their alliance secret because any political coordination between them would violate federal election law. Soross Shadow Party is barred by law from coordinating its activities with official Democratic Party candidates, such as Hillary.
[Qx: Alliance!? She'd be in bed with George if Reno wasn't there first and her preferences more in that direction. She'd uhhh kiss Soros Bee Hind if it would give her more power]
Its a poorly-kept secret, however. At the annual Take Back America conference on June 3, 2004, Hillary gave Soros a glowing introduction, saying, We need people like George Soros, who is fearless, and willing to step up when it counts. More importantly, her right hand man, Harold Ickes who served the Clinton White House as deputy chief of staff now serves Soros as de facto CEO of the Shadow Party. Ickes plays a significant role in running Hillarys political machine and Soros Shadow Party simultaneously. This is arguably illegal, but no controlling authority seems willing to intervene.
The institutional manifestation of the Hillary-Soros axis is a group called the Center for American Progress, whose president John Podesta formerly served as chief of staff to the Clinton White House. Hillary has no official connection to the Center. However, her dominance of the organization seems to be something of an open secret among leftists. One insider told a UPI reporter that the Center is the official Hillary Clinton think tank. Robert Dreyfuss of The Nation wrote of the Center, Its not completely wrong to see it as a shadow government, a kind of Clinton White House-in-exile or a White House staff in readiness for President Hillary Clinton. The Center for American Progress received its start-up funding from Soros and was, in fact, Soros brainchild.
FP: You and Mr. Horowitz have said that the Shadow Party purged Joseph Lieberman, in retaliation for his pro-war stance. How do you square that with the fact that Hillary supported Lieberman?
Poe: Hillary supported Lieberman only with lip service. She was just hedging her bets. What mattered was her announcement that she would support whomever won, be it Lieberman or Lamont. Please note that, within 24 hours of Lamont's victory over Lieberman, HILLPAC became the first Democrat political action committee to pledge money to Lamonts campaign. With friends like that, Lieberman doesnt need enemies.
FP: Some conservatives welcome Soros intervention. They say that the farther left he pushes the Democrats, the fewer people will vote Democrat.
Poe: It would certainly be nice if we could just sit back and wait for the Shadow Party to fizzle out of its own accord. Given what is at stake, however, I think a more energetic approach is in order.
[Qx: That's putting it mildly. We are fighting for a much neutered Constitution and the survival of our Republic as we know it. We are fighting for our families and our children and grand children. . . . and a lot more.]
In my view, the farther left Soros pushes the Democrats, the more dangerous they grow. The Party is becoming more cult-like and fanatical by the day. History teaches that a fanatical minority can prevail over a moderate majority. The Bolsheviks proved that in 1917. Before our eyes, the Democratic Party is transforming into a totalitarian cult, bent on seizing power by any means necessary. This is a time for vigilance, not complacency.
[Qx: Absolutely correct. A TOTALITARIAN CULT IN ALL THE WORST WAYS. THIS IS A TIME FOR EXTREME VIGILANCE AND ENERGETIC RESPONSE. AND NOT A SHRED OF COMPLACENCY. COMPLACENCY HAS ALMOST SOLD US UNALTERABLY DOWN THE RIVER ALREADY.]
FP: Are we talking Red Guards in the streets? Thats a little hard to imagine.
[QX: NOT AT ALL!!!! HAVE THEY FORGOTTEN THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT MASSES IN THE STREET OVERNIGHT--FUNDED BY GEOREGE SOROS???? HELLO???? WAKE UP AMERICA!]
Poe: Actually, the Shadow Party funds a number of groups which specialize in street action. Last March, about half a million protesters brought Los Angeles to a standstill, calling for open borders and free immigration. Some burned American flags and fought with police. Similar protests occurred simultaneously in many cities. The whole extravaganza was a Shadow Party operation. Virtually every sponsor was a Soros-funded group at least eight organizations including ACORN, La Raza, MALDEF and others. One of the organizers, the Center for Community Change, has received $5.2 million from Soross Open Society Institute.
FP: What is their plan? How does the Shadow Party intend to take power in America?
Poe: They appear to be pursuing a three-phase plan. The first two phases are based upon the successful strategy which the left used to force regime change in America during the late 60s and early 70s.
Phase One is to impeach President Bush for allegedly deceiving the nation into war. We call this phase Watergate II.
Phase Two is to force a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq and to cut off aid to the Iraqi Republic, just as Democrats cut off aid to South Vietnam after Nixon resigned. We call this phase Vietnam II.
Phase Three is velvet revolution. This is a term used in Eastern Europe to describe the sort of bloodless coup for which Soros is well-known in that part of the world. He has used these methods to topple regimes in many countries, such as Yugoslavia, Ukraine and the Republic of Georgia.
Soros velvet revolutions always follow the same pattern. The rebels wait for an election, then precipitate a crisis by charging voter fraud.
We believe the Shadow Party may attempt something similar in the USA. If they fail to win legitimately in 2008, they will likely cry voter fraud, fomenting an electoral crisis similar to the Bush-Gore deadlock of 2000.
We must expect, however, that the left has learned a few lessons since 2000. It seems doubtful that they will stake their revolution on a decision of John Roberts Supreme Court. More likely, they will press for international arbitration this time, possibly under the auspices of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. This group actually monitored our elections in 2004. Its relations with Soros and with the Democratic Party are extremely cordial, to say the least.
[Qx: But you can bet your boopy that they are prepared to cause mass armed chaos in the streets if they feel that's the only or quickest or even a more convenient way]
In normal times, Americans would never accept foreign arbitration of an election, but a destabilized America, demoralized by military defeat, discouraged by the fall of a president, and alarmed by orchestrated unrest in the streets, might just go along with any plan that promised to restore order.
The 2004 election almost seemed like a dress rehearsal for such a maneuver, given the raucous demand by some Congressional Democrats for UN election monitors, and the so-called Boxer Rebellion, in which Senate Democrats challenged Bushs electoral vote count.
[Qx: Absolutely. I thought so at the time. This is the first I've read of anyone asserting my feeling at the time as truth.]
FP: Will Hillary be the Shadow Party candidate?
Poe: That is likely, but not inevitable. Even a velvet candidate needs the illusion of mass support. That could prove difficult for Hillary to conjure up. Even so, Hillary can only benefit from these machinations. If the Democrats win, we can rest assured that Soros and Hillary will be pulling the strings behind the scenes, no matter which figurehead they choose to sit on the throne.
FP: How can we fight these kinds of radical tactics?
Poe: In the short time left before 2008, we need to learn everything we can about the Shadow Party and open the eyes of as many Americans as possible to its plans.
FP: Richard Poe thank you for joining us.
Poe: My pleasure.
Jamie Glazov is Frontpage Magazine's managing editor.
WAKE UP AMERICA
I thank you ALL for these posts. I am saving the entire thread
THANKS THANKS FOR YOUR KIND WORDS.
GOD BE WITH YOU AND YOURS AS YOU SEEK HIM FIRST AND WALK CLOSE TO HIM.
'The Path to 9/11':
CLINTON FAILURE TO ORDER 'PURE KILL' CUT CHANCES OF GETTING BIN LADEN IN HALF
(Will be posting additional information about this soon....)
(DID THEY REALLY WANT TO TAKE HIM OUT ANYWAY?) (Part One) ![]() THE (oops!) INADVERTENT ADMISSIONS OF BILL + HILLARY CLINTON part one ![]() UNITED 93:THE CLINTON-9/11 NEXUS "We have to do it now. We know what happens if we just sit here and do nothing...." ![]() CLINTON: 'Can we kill 'em tomorrow?' (+ Albright-Fulbright-Nobel TERRORISM revelations) ![]() 'MAKE IT A RULE' -- PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR OSAMA WITH CLINTON and CO. (HEAR HILLARY + BILL MAKE THEIR PITCH) by Mia t, 2.13.06 ![]() ALBRIGHT INDICTS CLINTON FOR TERRORISM FAILURE (and doesn't even know it) by Mia T, 4.28.06 ![]() ALBRIGHT1: 'Bin Laden and his Network Declared War2 on the United States and Struck First and We Have Suffered Deeply'
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MUCH THANKS MIA.
Bill wants "truth" from ABC that he never gave America.
Mia T. bump. Everyone needs to see this.
He also said that what Burger stole from the archives, prior to Clinton's testimony before the 9/11 Ommission, was a copy of a memo with Clinton's personal notations on it. The memo was a list of (4)operations dealing with either killing or capturing OBL. Clinton's notes appeared as a simple 'NO' at the end of each suggestion.
bookmk ping-a-ling
wow. Is there a transcript and/or audio of this show? any links?
found it. thx.
Thanks for the ping. Thanks to all researchers/contributors to this thread.
Thanks to all like-minded lurkers who are reading this thread. We the people, in order to form a more perfect union, need every one of you.
Thanks for the great links! Hopefully they will be posted in AOL, Yahoo and USENET for the libs to eat crow.
http://www.cafenetamerica.com
BTW... there was also a revealing little tidbit dropped by Miniter about Richard Clarke and Roger Cressy(now NBCNews terrorism 'expert'). Seems that Clarke was Cressy's 'mentor'... in more ways than one. There was a lot of chuckling going on with this... so take it for what it's worth.
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