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Treatment with 'friendly' bacteria could counter autism in children
The Scotsman ^ | 05 Sep 2006 | Ian Johnston

Posted on 09/06/2006 9:11:13 AM PDT by Marius3188

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1 posted on 09/06/2006 9:11:14 AM PDT by Marius3188
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To: Marius3188

This is certainly good news.


2 posted on 09/06/2006 9:13:43 AM PDT by stm (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: Marius3188

This is good news. Did they have to go through all of that(the last sentence) to figure out that diet affects people though?


3 posted on 09/06/2006 9:16:34 AM PDT by kinoxi
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One parent said it was "heartbreaking" to have to stop their child taking it.

This parent should know that pro-biotics are available at most health food stores.

My sister has been treating her autistic daughter ever since she was diagnosed (at 2 years old. ....she's now 6). It hasn't worked.

4 posted on 09/06/2006 9:18:26 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: stm
"This is certainly good news."

True. I foresee a boom in health food stores selling various brands of "GI Flora" culture capsules. Having suffered through a major infestation of candida (and suffering the physical and mental effects of that), I can testify to the fact that having "inimical" species get "out of control" in the GI tract can be seriously detrimental in a major way.

5 posted on 09/06/2006 9:19:50 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Many varieties of yogurt sold in the grocery chains are labeled as being probiotic. Whether that would counter the supposed effects of clostridia, I couldn't say, though.


6 posted on 09/06/2006 9:20:43 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Mr. Mojo

My 6 year old child (who is autistic) has been taking pro-biotics from Kirkland ind for about two years now. At first, it really helped him with his bowel moves, but has since declined. I do see a relationship with when his bowel moves are more regular, he is much more attentive and happy. But, I guess that would go without saying.


7 posted on 09/06/2006 9:21:37 AM PDT by Hayzo
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To: Mr. Mojo
The probiotic in this experiment was "designed" by the experimental team. The odds of any old probiotic found in a health food store matching the mix would be stupendous.

Remember, "probiotic" is a very general term. Even yoghurt can be described as a "probiotic".

8 posted on 09/06/2006 9:22:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: stm

This doesn't sound right. Patients are given placebos without their knowledge in order to determine if the improvements are psychological or real. You never tell the subject that you are switching from trial drug to placebo. Sounds like the researcher does not know what he is doing, or worst botched the research up to hide unfavorable results.


9 posted on 09/06/2006 9:22:53 AM PDT by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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As I read it, that's not what happened. Parents of kids on the probiotics noticed so much improvement, they were able to figure out on their own that the kids were getting the real thing, and refused to change.


10 posted on 09/06/2006 10:42:58 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Marius3188
I have a book Enzymes for Autism and other Neurological Conditions by Karen DeFelice. She has two autistic sons. It's worth reading.
11 posted on 09/07/2006 4:35:31 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Hayzo; Wonder Warthog

Having gone through considerable digestive problems and having been taking also that mixture created for autistic childern, Spectrum Awakening, I am well aware as well of the importance of probiotics straightening out the digestive tract.

But I must emphasize, the probiotics are half of it. For them to work they need room and bad bacteria and candida yeasts must be pushed aside. It can be done. I am living proof. Lab tests from Great Smokies (Now Genova) showed the major bad infestations before and followup now, the bad stuff is eradicated and high quality probiotics have filled the gap.

It is amazingly simple. A few drops of ordinary oregano oil mixed with olive oil (it burns otherwise) swallowed each day gets rid of the bad stuff in about a month or sooner. Candida is susceptible to grapefruit seed extract which can be taken much the same way. Went from major infestation to level below measurement. The oregano oil is available in local health food stores in little bottles of essence, Now brand or similar. Grapefruitseed oil is sold in little squeeze bottles. Both are cheap. Both are powerful natural anti-biotic and anti-fungals. No guessing, these oils simply work.

There are probiotics and good probiotics. The effective ones need refrigeration although there is some good in all of them I suppose. I want the stuff that has the most live critters in it and that is the refrigerated kind.


12 posted on 09/07/2006 4:53:49 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: RegulatorCountry

See my post above. Both remedies I mentioned have been used to treat clostridium difficile as well, giving some room for Lactobacillus probiotics to take hold.


13 posted on 09/07/2006 5:04:37 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Expanding on my posts above...

Another avenue to explore is the path taken by Dr. Skowron. I know him and have been impressed with his insight. In my case he identified correctly that what I thought was a heart condition was a stress related matter instead. Chances are great another doctor would have treated me for the heart condition I did not have. He was effective. But his abiding interest is in helping autistic children. Here is his website:

Spectrum Awakening

8mm

14 posted on 09/07/2006 5:16:15 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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"But I must emphasize, the probiotics are half of it. For them to work they need room and bad bacteria and candida yeasts must be pushed aside."

Well, I think it probably depends on how bad the infestation is. My doctor prescribed Nystatin specifically to kill off the candida.

"It is amazingly simple. A few drops of ordinary oregano oil mixed with olive oil (it burns otherwise) swallowed each day gets rid of the bad stuff in about a month or sooner. Candida is susceptible to grapefruit seed extract which can be taken much the same way. Went from major infestation to level below measurement. The oregano oil is available in local health food stores in little bottles of essence, Now brand or similar. Grapefruitseed oil is sold in little squeeze bottles. Both are cheap. Both are powerful natural anti-biotic and anti-fungals. No guessing, these oils simply work."

Interesting. I wasn't aware of those. In my case, the Nystatin worked.

"The effective ones need refrigeration although there is some good in all of them I suppose. I want the stuff that has the most live critters in it and that is the refrigerated kind."

True. And I think it is also desirable to get the type that has a wide spectrum of DIFFERENT "friendly critters" rather than a "monoculture" containing only a single type.

In my case, the malady was caused by having taken strong antibiotics for recurring sinus infections for long periods of time. STRONGLY RECOMMENDED!---IF YOU TAKE ANTIBIOTICS, TAKE ACIDOPHILUS CULTURE CAPSULES AT THE SAME TIME!!!! This immediately "re-seeds" the friendly bacteria killed off by the antibiotic and prevents candida and other nasties from overgrowing.

15 posted on 09/07/2006 5:42:33 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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You are on target with that. My problems also came with antibiotics. And I think a hearty variety of probiotics is important. In my case, the infestation was bad, leading to perforated intestines and potential septic infection.

Grapefruit seed extract certainly works and is cheap and easy and the lab proven results show it is a dramatic effect as well. Problem with these kinds of cures is not much profit for the drug companies.


16 posted on 09/07/2006 6:55:31 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Marius3188

This is actually a terrible result.

Now we do not know if this treatment really works or not.

Parents of autistic children will read this and try it out, not really knowing if it works or not but having great hope that it will.

And there have many treatments for autism which turned out to give a lot of false hope.


17 posted on 09/07/2006 7:03:49 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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Thanks for the info.

So is it necessary to eradicate the infestations (with oregano / grape seed oils) before taking pro-biotics, or can one take both at the same time?

18 posted on 09/07/2006 10:20:31 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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We actually take the probiotics several hours after each dose and I guess some of the good bacteria may be killed in the process, but we keep piling it on. After stopping the oregano oil or grapefruit seed extract, we take it full speed ahead so as to give no time for the bad bacteria to recover.

Caution! I have made the mistake myself. It is grapeFRUIT seed extact, not grape seed extract which may be sold right next to it.

Many years ago I was fascinated how wild grapefruit would fall to the floor of the woods and not spoil. It was protected by this powerful antifungal I suppose.


19 posted on 09/07/2006 11:56:13 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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We actually take the probiotics several hours after each dose and I guess some of the good bacteria may be killed in the process, but we keep piling it on. After stopping the oregano oil or grapefruit seed extract, we take it full speed ahead so as to give no time for the bad bacteria to recover.

Caution! I have made the mistake myself. It is grapeFRUIT seed extact, not grape seed extract which may be sold right next to it.

Many years ago I was fascinated how wild grapefruit would fall to the floor of the woods and not spoil. It was protected by this powerful antifungal I suppose.

I need to start taking that stuff to see if it will help me. Do you have a link to purchase it on line? I don't know if our one horse town would have it, and it would be cheaper for me to buy it on line than to have to go all the way into Albuquerque, with gas as high as it is. :o)

20 posted on 09/07/2006 1:11:02 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (ISLAM IS A CULT OF DEATH AND NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH!)
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