Mexico's Calderon is president-elect: court draft

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[jmcenanly]

This whole proceeding in Mexico makes Bush v Gore look positively dignified.

History does repeat itself, first as tragedy, then as farce.

[King Moonracer]

Oh no. Now the illegals will be seeking political asylum from a Mexican government in turmoil...and they'll be granted amnesty here.

[StJacques]

"What did Fox do that put the election at risk?"

It's supposedly intervention at two levels. Lopez Obrador and his people claim that Fox manipulated social programs somehow to Calderon's advantage. I've never seen the particulars. There are also charges that the necessary regulation of government agencies to keep them out of the electoral process was lacking out of deliberate intent. I tend to think there may be some truth to this one. And then there is the matter of numerous public statements Fox made which seem to indicate outright support of Calderon and especially after the voting when they may indicate pressure on the IFE and/or the Electoral Tribunal.

[ClancyJ]

Glad we are in agreement.

I just see red when I read that we can't have democracy unless it can be done without fighting in the streets.

IMHO, if the democracy is not defended even to the point of "fighting in the streets", it will, of course, be lost because those trying to take the power away, will do whatever they have to do to get it.

And a little fighting in the street does not bother them in the least. Of course, they will play the propaganda option first to try and convince the population that violence is bad, that fighting wars is just not an option.

Why wouldn't they? Sure is easy to buy a few pacifists to parade around sprouting "no war", "no war". And, if the population can be convinced to defer their freedom until the day when both sides will agree to the will of the people, they have an easy win.

And the population will learn a hard lesson - "there are always those that will manipulate to steal power from the people". The only thing stopping them, is the power of the people willing to fight to keep their freedom and winning the fight.

[SlowBoat407]

My sincere hope is that if this does come down to armed conflict, that somehow people come out of it with a greater appreciation for how we do things uptown, and maybe they'll start to knock out some of the corruption.

I can dream, can't I?

[Graymatter]

The Tribunal stated that Vicente Fox put the election at risk by his pubic posture.

Ewwwww.

[ClancyJ]

Dreams are the planted seed.

[Rembrandt]

The more I hear of the loss by Gorebrador, the more I think that the Snakehead must have been consulting. James has an unblemished record in these south of the border elections - his candidate has never won!

[Codename - Ron Benjamin]

There's a thing with Mexico: in times of the PRI the president 'fingerpointed' ("El Dedazo") his successor, and then used his President-Fu to make sure his annointed one wins. As a consecuence, there are laws now that even take rights from the president that every other citizen has; the presiden't can't make anything that even sounds like having a favorite.

It's rather silly, first because the president is a citizen too and should have a right to an opinion (the people shouldn't feel pressed to vote for the president's pick, and that's not the way the PRI's frauds were done anyway) and second: Calderon wasn't Fox's favorite.

[Shuttle Shucker]

Most Mexicans who voted from abroad voted for Calderon, as IFE.org.mx can confirm. We'll see how the next Administration deals with this potentially shocking revelation regarding how Mexico's immigration laws are flagrantly racist against us gringos (and most other races): http://www.directory.com.mx/immigration And they want our immigration laws to become even MORE open?

[ashamedtobefromparkridge]

I have a friend who is here legally who would consider returning now that Calderon is President.

[Hacksaw]

Good thing Jimmy Carter wasn't invited there to certify the results, 'cause ObraGore would be the president right now.