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Some Boat Owners With Gunky Motors Sing Ethanol Blues
Wall Street Journal ^
| September 2, 2006
| Robert Tomsho
Posted on 09/02/2006 12:24:22 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It seems to me that one does not use ethanol blends in older engines that are not designed to use ethanol blends.
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:27:31 PM PDT
by
verity
(The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Lot of this has to do with a glut of old boats that are not worthy of restoration and the owners looking for a chump to bail them out of a financial jam.
To: verity
It seems to me that one does not use ethanol blends in older engines that are not designed to use ethanol blends.
Yeah but politicians in the hip pocket of the Farm Lobby ( and ADM) have removed that option in big chunks of the country. ALL gas is sold with an ethanol blend.
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:30:08 PM PDT
by
Kozak
(Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
To: verity
I thought Marine fuel was ethanol free.
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:31:50 PM PDT
by
JOE6PAK
(FAKE, but ACCURATE!)
To: Kozak
"ALL gas is sold with an ethanol blend."
That is not a true statement.
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:32:12 PM PDT
by
verity
(The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
To: JOE6PAK
Not in areas where the EPA has mandated ethanol-blend gasoline. EPA theory: "It works in cars. Who gives a flip about the rich in their luxury yachts!"
Meanhile, ol' Bass Boat Bubba has his outboard dying on him all day from this trash gas.
The October issue of Consumer Reports magazine has a big story on ethanol and exposes all the myths of ethanol. Their conclusion: ethanol is really a bad deal.
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:37:38 PM PDT
by
nhoward14
To: verity
In my area of PA, I do not see any gas stations that offer non-Ethanol blends
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:38:15 PM PDT
by
SauronOfMordor
(A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
To: bigfootbob
Ethanol has been blended with gasoline in many markets for over 20 years. I remember back in the early 90's reading somewhere to my astonishment that fuels that contained ethanol or other alcohols were not suitable for 2-Cycle motors. This also included many fuel additives as well. Apparently, the alcohol prevents the oil from coating/protecting the pistons and cylinder.
This is not a new problem, although I wasn't aware that marinas were selling ethanol blends yet. I know the few marinas I have been to are specifically buying non-ethanol gasoline for this exact reason.
The boat owner's argument is somewhat akin to the gripes when leaded fuel was made illegal. All the folks with the old leaded gasoline cars were screaming that they were being unfairly penalized....costly upgrades/etc.
I can sympathize - motors (inboard or outboard) are so incredibly expensive. On the other hand, they had to see it coming sooner or later. But I think they should look at the marinas as well. Unless the non-ethanol fuel is just plan unavailable, they should still be able to get it (at a likely higher cost).
One other thing - I just got back moments ago from going fishing with a friend with a 4 year-old boat. The 2-cycle Mercury (oil injection) has no problem with the blended gasolines - so this is likely, as bigfootbob said, just owners of old boats looking for a skapegoat.
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:38:15 PM PDT
by
TheBattman
(Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of a Cancer on Society)
To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Mr. Kaprielian's 1969 boat
It needs a new motor and he's blaming the gas?
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:39:17 PM PDT
by
kinoxi
To: verity
It is where I live....
Wisconsin is poised to become the fourth to enact an ethanol blend requirement for gasoline. The state assembly last week passed a measure that will require all 87-octane gasoline to contain 10 percent ethanol by October 1, 2006.
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:40:14 PM PDT
by
Kozak
(Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
To: verity
Never use ethanol in a carbureted motor if the carb float is made of foam instead of metal. That sucker will swell up like a toad till it sticks tight in the bowl.
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:40:56 PM PDT
by
beelzepug
(I suffer no fool lightly!)
To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I followed some of the forums about this. Most people think the E10 Blend is safe, but higher than that you should check with the manufacturer or a certified mechanic.
If my boat motor cost $25,000, I'd know for darn sure what I was putting in it. Mine is much cheaper and I still checked with Mercury Marine.
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:41:46 PM PDT
by
BallyBill
(Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
To: kinoxi
It's now been documented that ethanol blends eat away at the fiberglass fuel tanks found in many older boats - and cause a nasty "gunk" that fouls and destroys the engines
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:43:11 PM PDT
by
VRWCTexan
(History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
To: JOE6PAK
The gas at a marina is pretty much the same stuff that's at the gas station, only more expensive. But ethanol-free gas is available at a lot of gas stations.
Ethanol is garbage and I won't run it in my boat. Mercruiser won't even warranty motors if they've had fuel with more than 10% ethanol run in them.
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:44:17 PM PDT
by
lesser_satan
(EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
To: VRWCTexan
That's unfortunate. I did not know this. Do you have a link?
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:46:13 PM PDT
by
kinoxi
To: Kozak
I suspect it eventually will be required in all states.
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:47:08 PM PDT
by
verity
(The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
To: kinoxi
Why do I have a feeling that he pees in the gas tank after excessive consumption of 90 proof Old Turkey Fart?
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:49:08 PM PDT
by
verity
(The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This is a good example of what's wrong with trying to force exotic fuels into the existing infrastructure.
Exotic fuels can be a good idea under controlled circumstances. Local fleets are one example, where the specialized fuel, parts, and maintenance are centralized. Large farms would be another, where the farm's equipment and utilities could be run on cellulosic ethanol derived from crop waste.
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:50:27 PM PDT
by
Jeff Chandler
(Peace begins in the womb.)
To: nhoward14
Funny - I know many folks would qualify as "Bass Boat Bubba" who are having zero trouble from using ethanol blended gasoline. AS I posted just a few minutes ago, I just got back from fishing with a buddy who has had zero trouble in the years he has had his boat - oil injected 2'stroke. Ethanol blending has had no effect.
And isn't Consumer Reports the group that was busted for rigging rollover tests of some "infamous" small SUVs? Among other questionable reports in their history.....
And despite some folk's opinions, ethanol itself burns much CLEANER than petrolium gasoline. The primary downfall is the effect it has on rubber-based gaskets and hoses, as well as the increased ability to absorb moisture.
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posted on
09/02/2006 12:51:45 PM PDT
by
TheBattman
(Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of a Cancer on Society)
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