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Conservative Case Against Rudy Giuliani
Human Events ^ | August 30 2006 | John Hawkins

Posted on 08/30/2006 9:09:02 AM PDT by Reagan Man

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To: romanesq
romanesq said: "I don't believe he would kill the 2nd Amendment either."

Without a Supreme Court that will overturn the Ninth Circus Court, the Second Amendment is DEAD in Kalifornia. It's also DEAD in the nation's capitol.

Room Service will be providing iced tea in hell before I cast a vote for an anti-gunner. Ever.

If the Republican Party can't get that simple message, then they just aren't listening. If Al Gore had been pro-gun, he probably would have taken his home state of Tennessee and might be President today. If Bush was anti-gun, that is what I believe would have happened.

Republicans just need to get over the idea that an anti-gun candidate is compatible with long term success.

141 posted on 08/30/2006 11:30:55 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: MikeA
Hey MikeA -- I noticed that you did not refute any of Guliani's objectively left-wing positions. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

Why don't you just join the losertarian party, because you cannot possibly be telling us that Rudy passes the smell test for Reagan-Republicans.

Sorry MikeA, but some of us are not "win-at-any-cost" RINOS. We know that elections have results, and those results impact our daily lives -- from tax and social policy to gay marriage.

Your "attach the messenger" response is typically liberal.

142 posted on 08/30/2006 11:31:39 AM PDT by CWW (Elect Reagan Republicans!!!)
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To: Jake The Goose

You make a great case for him to be the Mayor of any number of large cesspools that were once great cities.

But for president, no way does he get my vote. No way in hell and no matter who the Dem candidate is.


143 posted on 08/30/2006 11:33:25 AM PDT by Badray (While defending the land called America, we must also be sure to preserve the Idea called America.)
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To: Prokopton
"Rudy is better than any democrat." You are right. But what are the chances that Zell would be nominated?
144 posted on 08/30/2006 11:33:59 AM PDT by Cannon6
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To: cpforlife.org; Reagan Man; Salvation; Coleus
There is no logical need for Giuliani to be the president or the Republican candidate for president. His anti-life views will split the party and whatever remains of the conservative pro-life Reagan coalition. The conservative movement didn't keep Republicans in office for 12 years (1980-1992) by pandering to the culture of death. There is no reason to embrace that folly now.

He might make a suitable head of Homeland Security but only if he puts a muzzle on his weirdo views on social issues. Rudy has some serious soul-searching and inner spiritual prayer work to do before he meets his Maker. It might be better in the long run for him to attend to that. We don't need a pro-abortion president.

145 posted on 08/30/2006 11:33:59 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: veronica

Every new poll with Rudy at the top gives these kooks heartburn. :)




Heartburn??? Closer to heart attacks. Ha


146 posted on 08/30/2006 11:34:08 AM PDT by Blackirish
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147 posted on 08/30/2006 11:34:55 AM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Sabramerican

"Name a single American politician- who Social Conservatives would readily accept- who has a chance of being elected President in 2008."

Maybe the Social Conservatives don't have that kind of clout any more. We'll have to see.


148 posted on 08/30/2006 11:36:27 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: monkeywrench
I agree that Rudy has too much baggage. His treatment of his wives, Kerik, same sex marriage, etc.

While I feel he fits New York, I would not want him for POTUS. Democrats will have a field day with him.

Then there is his fear to take on Hillary for the Senate.

149 posted on 08/30/2006 11:36:41 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: CWW

Thanks for the oh-so predicable reply of "you're a liberal." That's always the place of last resort for the witless.

I guess the plurality of Christian voters who voted in a poll taken by a Christian organization that showed Guiliani in the lead with Christian CONSERVATIVES, I guess they're all liberals too, right?? Do a keyword search of FR's search. This was posted yesterday.

And grow a brain. Guiliani had to adopt liberal positions to maintain political viability governing New York City. You can't govern New York City like you're the mayor of Boise. Neither would he govern that liberally as president. I'm sure he will move right to govern the nation. Why do such simple concepts of political reality escape people like you?? Oh that's right, you're too busy labelling people in your tired and uninspired way to bother thinking.

P.S. Any reply you post won't be read so save your time. You've already wasted enough of mine with your childishness.


150 posted on 08/30/2006 11:36:42 AM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: CWW

Thanks for the oh-so predicable reply of "you're a liberal." That's always the place of last resort for the witless.

I guess the plurality of Christian voters who voted in a poll taken by a Christian organization that showed Guiliani in the lead with Christian CONSERVATIVES, I guess they're all liberals too, right?? Do a keyword search of FR's search. This was posted yesterday.

And grow a brain. Guiliani had to adopt liberal positions to maintain political viability governing New York City. You can't govern New York City like you're the mayor of Boise. Neither would he govern that liberally as president. I'm sure he will move right to govern the nation. Why do such simple concepts of political reality escape people like you?? Oh that's right, you're too busy labelling people in your tired and uninspired way to bother thinking.

P.S. Any reply you post won't be read so save your time. You've already wasted enough of mine with your childishness.


151 posted on 08/30/2006 11:37:11 AM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: MikeA
"Neither would he govern that liberally as president. I'm sure he will move right to govern the nation. "

We heard all that crap when the guvernator wanted conservative votes. LOL!

Rudy is a lefty. A far left lefty. He will govern like one. No thanks.

152 posted on 08/30/2006 11:40:35 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Badray

Keep those eyes swirling counter clockwise.

"No way I vote for Rudy - no way"

"I'll take my little trucks and go home first"

"I'll get my way or I quit"

My advise is be prepared to call your Mommy.


153 posted on 08/30/2006 11:41:34 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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154 posted on 08/30/2006 11:42:41 AM PDT by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic "adult")
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To: Cannon6

"You are right. But what are the chances that Zell would be nominated?"

None. The point is that the quality of the candidate should be determined by what positions he holds on the issues, not necessarily whether there is an "R" or "D" after their name. It's true most conservatives are Republicans but there are many liberal Republicans and a few conservative Democrats.


155 posted on 08/30/2006 11:44:24 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Blackirish

I don't know what will happen in '08, but the disrespect some here show toward Rudy is just vile. They are no better than the DUmmies and the Kos kids.


156 posted on 08/30/2006 11:45:01 AM PDT by veronica (NEW LITERARY AND ARTS JOURNAL offers free advertising for writers, bloggers, artists. FRmail me...)
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To: veronica

Thanks for that post Veronica - I have been back and forth with the Rudy haters all day.

"If Rudy is our nominee - we won't vote"

CAN YOU IMAGINE ???

Childish.....


157 posted on 08/30/2006 11:46:19 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: monkeywrench

Okay, vote for Macaca Allen then who couldn't even win a debate with Barbara Boxer on CNN, another time against Chuck Schumer, yet another against Jane Harman yet another against Rhode Island Senator Jack Reed. In each one he looked like a deer in the headlights and couldn't even mount a reply to the lies they were telling, and trust me, these were no brainers a 5 year old could have hit out of the park. Not Allen! He couldn't even go off script to refute these hacks and their utterly flimsey deceptions. The man's a dunce. He'll be chum in the water for Hillary to gobble up, nothing more. So enjoy President Clinton Part Deux. You'll be the first to bitch about her presidency and then wonder why you didn't support a candidate with more than a room temperature I.Q.


158 posted on 08/30/2006 11:46:26 AM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: Sabramerican

Dear Sabramerican,

"You build a straw man re Giuliani and then you knock him down."

Actually, I think the strawman builder is you.

It's you who believe that large numbers of liberals - WHO ARE MOSTLY AGAINST THE WAR AS FOUGHT - are going to vote for Mr. Giuliani - WHO IS FOR THE WAR AS FOUGHT.

"Name a single American politician- who Social Conservatives would readily accept- who has a chance of being elected President in 2008."

It's a bit early, but Mr. Allen is more than electable, even in spite of his current problems. Unless you think that a politician who occasionally makes an untoward remark is less electable than a politician who cross-dresses. LOL.

Although he has so far indicated that he won't be a candidate, Haley Barbour would be a formidable nominee.

I don't know how the process will treat Sen. Brownback or Sen. Frist, or anyone else who is running, but I've learned the hard way not to think that someone who seems a "dwarf" two years out will not be able to win the presidency.

I remember my mother's laughter (and my own - but I was kind of young, just a teenager) when we heard that a peanut farmer from Georgia was running for president. I remember seeing Mr. Clinton give the nomination speech in 1988 for Mr. Dukakis and laughing that he'd never be president, either (who else remembers that 3-hour stemwinder??).

However, this argument - that there is no one else to run - is hardly much of an endorsement of Mr. Giuliani. "Vote Giuliani - he stinks less than all the others!"

Even if that is the case, Mr. Giuliani doesn't meet my minimum standards to receive my vote. I believe that he will not meet the minimum standards of millions of actual conservative voters.


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159 posted on 08/30/2006 11:47:28 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: MikeA
And grow a brain. Guiliani had to adopt liberal positions to maintain political viability governing New York City.

First, he's been a liberal his entire life. Second, if your statement was true then it would demonstrate a severe lack of principle on Giuliani's part making him unworthy of a conservative's vote.

You can't govern New York City like you're the mayor of Boise.

And you shouldn't govern New York City like a teenaged girl with a pilfered credit card racking up unprecedented debt.

Neither would he govern that liberally as president.

You're psychic?

I'm sure he will move right to govern the nation.

Oh, well, that's enough for me. MikeA on Free Republic is "sure" that Giuliani will move right to govern the nation. Well, you might be right. Giuliani is so damned liberal he couldn't move any other direction than to the right.

Why do such simple concepts of political reality escape people like you??

Because you're full of $#!+.

Oh that's right, you're too busy labelling people in your tired and uninspired way to bother thinking.

Giuliani has amassed a long record of being a liberal. Heck, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party in his run for Mayor because of his openly liberal position. Labelling Giuliani as anything other than liberal is dishonest. He is, by definition and by his own record and statements and views, a liberal.

160 posted on 08/30/2006 11:47:41 AM PDT by Spiff (Death before Dhimmitude)
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