SS Man of the Left

Frontpagemagazine ^ | 8-28-06 | Stephen Brown and Jacob Laksin

[Daveinyork]

Goes to show you how little difference there is between fascism and communism.

[Ragnar54]

Goes to show you how little difference there is between fascism national socialism and communism.

[SJackson]

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[IonInsights]

Hmmm. Ex-Nazi is anti-American. Sounds like a continuation of 1942.

[wideawake]

Nazism and Communism are both hard left ideologies. It enrages me that so many people insist that Nazism was a phenomenon of the right.

The most infamous Nazi song, sung at every party rally and taught to every child in school was the Horst Wessels Lied which proclaimed that Nazism had two enemies, of equal concern: "the Red front and reaction."

In other words, Communism and the right.

There never was anything conservative about Nazism in any way.

[Daveinyork]

I don't think you need to substitute National Socialism for Fascism. They mean the same thing. Il Duce, Mussolini, the world's first fascist dictator, began his political career as a socialist.

[RegulatorCountry]

"Grass says he considered joining the SS the ideal career move, thinking the elite military units would both provide him with an exit from his despised bourgeois home and a direct route to Hitler"

Nazi rants against the bourgeoisie were just as virulent as any other variety of socialist. He didn't have to "transition" very far to his current worldview.

[bmwcyle]

Right and left can never be defined on a straight line. A sphere is a better model with single person government on one side of the X axis and Constitutional government on the other. If you use this X, Y, Z model, you more clearly define and relate absolute control.

[The_Reader_David]

Not quite, Il Duce started out as a syndicalist, a supporter of a socio-economic idea never put into practice: he advocated private ownership of 'the means of production' by the workers, rather than state ownership or control.

[Neophyte]

Just as Nazi propaganda captivated him in his youth, so the socialist vision was now too appealing to surrender.

There is no surprise here. If Captain Reom, Hitlerist brown-shirts' commander, is any authority on the Nazism, do recall his bragging that he needed only four days to convert any communist into a Nazist. And Hitler himself was reported to say, that though bourgeois Social Democrat is unimaginable as Nazis' partner, an equally anti-bourgeois Communist was a perfect candidate.

I mean, scratch a Commie to reveal a Nazi.

[fso301]

an admitted member of the Waffen SS

If his SS story contradicts prior stories, we need to know which to believe. Have him take off his shirt and raise his left arm for the world to see.

[gafusa]

No the are actually significantly different. Fascism is reactionary and Catholic, Nazism is radical, and based on a combination of protestantism and the occult. Also Fascists kept and used existing institutions, Nazism was a radical reform for society, completely new government, flag, symbols, etc. Plus Nazism branches into magic, weird pseudoscience, racial engineering, and many other things fascists have nothing to do with. They are both nationalist, and authoritarian, but Fascism is a completely different ideology, Nazism did originate from Fascism, but is very different.

[gafusa]

Rohm was actually rather leftist, the conservative military and business leaders later turned on him, and brought about his downfall. He was also gay.

[Colorado Mike]

Understand what you're trying to say, but in Physics 2 objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time, so it is with political philosophy. Communism and Nazism we too much alike to enable one to tolerate the other for long. Good thing for all of us that they fought each other and didn't reach some sort of accommodation in WWII.

[headsonpikes]

Except in propaganda handouts, all existing real-world socialism is National Socialism.

[gafusa]

Yes. Nazism was in many ways more Stalinist then Fascist. However it is unfortunate we sided with Stalin, we should have cut off support as soon as Russia started wining, and then pressed all the way across Europe and liberated the areas under Soviet occupation, maybe even all the way to Moscow.

[Ragnar54]

Leftists like to pretend that there was something "right wing" about the NAZI form of collectivism, and that the socialism advocated by the Party of Treason is somehow special and superior. Of course, the idea that Hitler was "right wing" dates from when Hitler and Stalin stopped being buddies. I like to think that using the term "national socialist" in lieu of the acronym "NAZI" or the term "fascist" makes leftists feel uncomfortable.

[Inwoodian]

I remember the U.S. lefties going bananas when Fred Malek was nominated to a sub-Cabinet post. Seems Fred had been drafted into the Hitler Youth when he was ten years old. Now one of their heroes turns out to be a full-fledged Waffen SS soldier. Do I hear crickets chirping?

[Daveinyork]

"Right and left can never be defined on a straight line."

There is only one line.

freedom_______________________________________no freedom

Socialism, absolutism, fascism, dictatorship, all other forms of collectivism, are at the no freedom end. The only thing at the freedom end is freedom. That's why it seems so difficult to defend. Freedom is one ideology, based on morality and rational thought. The multitudes of no-freedom ideologies are emotion based and gang up on freedom to destroy it.