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Funding Liberalism With Blue-Chip Profits [Fortune 100 foundations back leftist causes ]
Human Events ^ | 8/23/6 | David Hogberg and Sarah Haney

Posted on 08/23/2006 7:11:57 AM PDT by ZGuy

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To: upcountryhorseman

They don't want to apear Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevile. But by buying the left's silence, that's exactly what they become.


21 posted on 09/03/2006 5:45:33 PM PDT by right-wingin_It
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To: upcountryhorseman

I always thought it was to appease the left. Like the article says throw some money at them and hope they'll just GO AWAY. Look at the ads from BP in the Weekly Standard going on and on about how "green" they are. Maybe then leftists won't start fires at their refineries. They are justifiably afraid of the violence and insanity of liberals.


22 posted on 09/03/2006 5:46:11 PM PDT by boop (Now Greg, you know I don't like that WORD!)
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To: upcountryhorseman

What is very interesting about billionaires is how obsessed thy seem to be with controlling population growth. Of course this means third world persons of color. Gates, Buffett, and other leftists donate HEAVILY to the likes of Planned Parenthood.


23 posted on 09/03/2006 5:49:09 PM PDT by boop (Now Greg, you know I don't like that WORD!)
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To: george76
Using government to gain advantage over the competition may explain some of the grants made by the corporate foundations.

In 7 Steps to Freedom II legendary direct mail marketer Benjamin D Suarez describes how federal regulatory commissions protect the vested interests of large established companies against new competitors.

We were in one of the most tightly controlled and most vigorously controlled market areas - food and drugs.

. . .

The FDA is one of the most powerful regulatory agencies because it has seizure powers. That is, it can seize your personal property without your right to a defense.

. . .

Since the Kefauver Amendment, the FDA had really become powerful. It can arbitrarily say that a product, food or drug, can or cannot be marketed. It can seize your personal property, destroy you financially, sabotage your character and business, all without your right to a fair trial.

. . .

The judge cannot legally turn down the seizure order.

. . .

"You mean this one unelected civil service worker in Cincinnati has the power to be, in effect, enforcement officer, judge, jury and executioner?"

[My attorneys] said, "That's right."

. . .

I asked, "What about going to our congressmen?"

[My attorney] said "No, that won't help. They don't have to power to stop a seizure."

"You mean nobody controls these guys?" I exclaimed. "They have complete control of the citizens, elected officials, and the courts?"

"That's right," he stated.

. . .

The FDA would be tipped off that a natural-health remedy was being used that might become a viable market item. The FDA would make the necessary arrangements to seize the product. They would then arrange to plant a story in a major news media. This occurred usually in established network media, such as one of the large TV networks, a key influential newspaper, or through the Associated Press. The FDA actually went so far as to have certain planted reporters actually working for them. The media would be tipped off when a seizure would occur and coordinate it with agents. The agents and their media cohorts would burst into the business' or doctor's office, seize the products, splash the story across TV, radio, and newspapers, all before the victim had a right to a fair trial. There was no such thing as "innocent before proven guilty."

To get ahead of our story, coincidentally or uncoincidentally, ours followed the same pattern. It all started on March 2, 1978, on the NBC's "Today" show. Betty Furness did a hatchet-job story on our bread and tried to become a prophet, "predicting further action on this bread from governmental agencies."

Later she also aired a totally unwarranted news report on my book, before she even had the product in hand.

This brought up another incredible point. The FDA had made a decision to seize our bread, as Simmons admitted, without testing it and without any consumer complaints. There couldn't have been any consumer complaints, because none of the product had been shipped. Simmons had alluded to the fact that there were a lot of complaints. Since it was impossible for them to come from consumers, we contacted Mr. Simmons to ask from whom the complaints were coming. He said, "I'm just loaded with complaints."

I asked, "Are the from consumers?"

He said, "No."

I said, "Well, then obviously they are from our competitors then, right?"

He wouldn't answer me. So apparently the decision was made to seize without testing the product, without consumer complaints, but from complaints from the competition.


History

In 1968, SCI founder Benjamin D. Suarez decided to pursue the "American Dream." He envisioned a future that would allow him to nurture his thoughts and ideas and those of other entrepreneurs. His dream, Suarez Corporation Industries, began in the basement of his home. Based in Canton, Ohio, SCI is a diversified marketing company which researches and develops many of its own proprietary products and markets in all mediums including direct marketing, retail stores, and business-to-business. SCI places in the top 150 of its kind alongside giants such as Sears, Time Warner and JCPenney.


Business Leaders for Kerry-Edwards
Zubaid Ahmad, Managing Director, J.P. Morgan Securities
Roger Altman, Co-Founder and Chairman, Evercore Partners, Inc.
Omar S. Amanat, CEO, T-Corp., Founder and Former CEO, Marketscape
Karen Anderegg, Former CEO, Clinique
Marc Andreessen, Co-Founder and Chairman, Opsware Inc.
Michele Anthony, Executive Vice President, Sony Music Entertainment
Clarence Avant, Chairman, Motown Record Company
Mario L. Baeza, Chairman and CEO, TCW and Latin America Partners
Stewart Bainum, Jr., Chairman, Choice Hotels International
Charlene Barshefsky, Senior International Partner, Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr, Former U.S. Trade
Representative
Alan Belzer, Retired President and COO, Allied-Signal
Daniel L. Black, Principal, The Wicks Group of Companies, LLC
David Bonderman, Founder and Managing Partner, Texas Pacific Group
Shelby Bonnie, Co-Founder, Chairman and CEO, CNET Networks
Crandall Bowles, Chairman and CEO, Springs Industries
Eli Broad, Chairman, AIG Retirement Services, Former Chairman, President and CEO, SunAmerica
Edgar Bronfman, Former Chairman, Seagram Company
Edgar Bronfman, Jr., Chairman and CEO, Warner Music Group
Jeff Brotman, Chairman, Costco Wholesale
Bobbi Brown, CEO, Bobbi Brown Cosmetics
Owsley Brown, Chairman and CEO, Brown-Forman
John H. Bryan, Former Chairman and CEO, Sara Lee
Susie Tompkins Buell, Co-Founder, Espirit de Corp
August A. Busch IV, President, Anheuser-Busch
Brook Byers, General Partner, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers
Lisa Caputo, Senior Financial Executive
Tom Castro, President, El Dorado Communications
Vinton G. Cerf, Senior Vice President of Technology Strategy, MCI
Mark Chandler, Vice President and General Counsel, Cisco Systems
Peter Chernin, President and COO, News Corp.
Henry Cisneros, Chairman and CEO, American CityVista
Liz Claiborne and Art Ortenberg, Founders, Liz Claiborne
Jim Clark, Founder of Netscape, Silicon Graphics, and Healtheon
Kenneth Cole, Chairman and CEO, Kenneth Cole Productions, Inc.
Timothy C. Collins, Founder and CEO, Ripplewood Holdings
Jack Connors, Jr., Chairman, Hill Holiday
Lewis Cullman, Private Investor
Aart de Geus, Chairman and CEO, Synopsys
John K. Delaney, Chairman and CEO, CapitalSource
Reid Dennis, Managing Partner, Institutional Venture Partners
Barry Diller, Chairman and CEO, IAC/InterActiveCorp
John Doerr, General Partner, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers
Blair Effron, Vice Chairman, UBS Investment Bank
Bob Epstein, Co-Founder, Sybase
Fernando Espuelas, CEO, VOY
Jerry Fiddler, Co-Founder, Former Chairman and CEO, Wind River Systems
Marshall Field, Chairman, Field Corp.
Larry Fish, Chairman, President and CEO, Citizens Financial Group
John Fisher, Managing Director, Draper Fisher Jurvetson
Richard Fisher, Chairman Emeritus, Morgan Stanley
Robert J. Fisher, Chairman, Gap, Inc.
Joseph Flom, Founding Partner, Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom
Tom Freston, Co-President and Co-COO, Viacom
Paul Fribourg, Chairman, President and CEO, ContiGroup
Philip Frost, M.D., Chairman and CEO, IVAX Corporation
Glen S. Fukushima, President, American Chamber of Commerce in Japan
Roy Furman, Co-Founder, Furman Selz
John Gage, Chief Researcher, Sun Microsystems
Mark T. Gallogly, Partner, The Blackstone Group
Ralph Gerson, President and CEO, Guardian International Corp.
Charles M. Geschke, Founder and Chairman, Adobe Systems, Inc.
Charles K. Gifford, Chairman, Bank of America Corporation
Rob Glaser, Founder, Chairman and CEO, RealNetworks, Inc.
Donald J. Gogel, President and CEO, Clayton, Dubilier & Rice
Mark Gorenberg, Partner, Hummer Winblad Venture Partners
Phyllis Grann, Former Chairman and CEO, Penguin Putnam Publishing Group
Michael D. Granoff, President and CEO, Pomona Capital
Earl Graves, Sr., Chairman and CEO, Earl G. Graves Publishing Company, Founder and Publisher, BLACK
ENTERPRISE Magazine
Gerry Greenwald, Chairman, Greenbriar Equity, Former Chairman and CEO, United Airlines
Garrett Gruener, Managing Partner, Alta Partners, Founder, Ask Jeeves
Paul Guenther, Former President, Paine Webber
Robert Haas, Chairman of the Board, Levi Strauss
Bill Hambrecht, Founder, Chairman and CEO, W.R. Hambrecht
Dr. Sidney Harman, Executive Chairman, Harman International
Alan Hassenfeld, Chairman, Hasbro
William H. Hayden, Senior Managing Director, Bear Stearns & Co.
F. Warren Hellman, Co-Founder and Chairman, Hellman & Friedman
Leo Hindery, Jr., President, AT&T Broadband
Bob Holland, Former CEO, Ben and Jerry’s
Robert Hormats, Vice Chairman, Goldman Sachs International
Reed E. Hundt, Partner, Charles Ross Partners, Former Chairman, Federal Communications Commission
Glenn Hutchins, Co-Founder, Silver Lake Partners
Lee Iacocca, Former Chairman, Chrysler
Irwin Jacobs, Chairman and CEO, QUALCOMM
James A. Johnson, Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
Robert Johnson, Founder, Chairman & CEO, BET Interactive
Sheila Johnson, CEO, Salamander Development LLC
Thomas S. Johnson, Chairman and CEO, GreenPoint Financial Corp.
Vernon E. Jordan, Jr., Senior Managing Director, Lazard
Donna Karan, Founder and Chief Designer, Donna Karan International
Jeffrey Katzenberg, Co-Founder, Principal and Producer, DreamWorks SKG
William E. Kennard, Managing Director, The Carlyle Group
Kirk Kerkorian, Chairman, President and CEO, Tracinda Corporation
Steve Kirsch, Founder and CEO, Propel Software
Bruce Klatsky, Chairman and CEO, Phillips-Van Husen
Michael S. Klein, CEO of Global Banking, Citigroup
Fred Kleisner, Chairman and CEO, Wyndham Hotels & Resorts
Jerome Kohlberg, Special Limited Partner, Kohlberg & Co.
Kay Koplovitz, Chairman, RTV Media, Founder, USA Networks
Philip Lader, Chairman, WPP Group, PLC
Sherry Lansing, Chairman, Motion Picture Group, Paramount Pictures
Chris Larsen, CEO, E-Loan
Geraldine B. Laybourne, Chairman and CEO, Oxygen Media
Rochelle Lazarus, Chairman & CEO, Ogilvy & Mather Worldwide
Alexandra Lebenthal, President, Lebenthal
Debra L. Lee, President and COO, BET Holdings
R. May Lee, Chief Operating Officer, Rowen Warren, Co-Founder, Market Boy
Thomas H. Lee, Founder and President, Thomas H. Lee Company
Gerald M. Levin, Retired Chairman and CEO, Time Warner
Arthur Levitt, Jr., Senior Advisor, The Carlyle Group, Former Chairman, Securities and Exchange Commission
Edward Lewis, Co-Founder, Chairman and CEO, Essence Communications
William M. Lewis, Jr., Co-Chairman, Investment Banking, Lazard
Edward H. Linde, President and CEO, Boston Properties
Howard Lipson, Senior Managing Director, The Blackstone Group
J. Bruce Llewellyn, Chairman and CEO, Philadelphia Coca-Cola Bottling Co.
Michael Lynton, Chairman and CEO, Sony Pictures Entertainment
Diana MacArthur, CEO, Dynamac Corporation
Vincent Mai, Chairman and CEO, AEA Investors
Anthony E. Malkin, President & COO, W&M Properties
Peter May, President & COO, Triarc Companies
Raymond J. McGuire, Managing Director, Morgan Stanley
Judith McHale, President and CEO, Discovery Communications
Regis McKenna, Regis McKenna, Inc.
Mack McLarty, Former Chairman and CEO, Arkla
Dennis Mehiel, Chairman, Four M Corporation
Prakash Melwani, Senior Managing Director, The Blackstone Group
Ed Meyer, Chairman, President and CEO, Grey Global Group
Heidi Miller, EVP, JPMorganChase
Hamid Moghadam, Chairman and CEO, AMB Property Corporation
Meridee Moore, Managing Partner, Watershed Asset Management
John Morgridge, Chairman, Cisco Systems
Phil Murphy, Senior Director and Former Head, Goldman Sachs Investment Management Division
Amy Pascal, Chairman, Sony Motion Picture Group
Alan Patricof, Co-Founder, Apax Partners
Frank H. Pearl, Chairman and CEO, Perseus, LLC
Richard Perry, Founder, Perry Capital
Charles Phillips, President, Oracle Corporation
Kim Polese, Co-Founder and Former CEO, Marimba
Robert Pozen, Chairman, MFS Investment Management
Hugh B. Price, Senior Advisor, Piper Rudnick, Former President and CEO, National Urban League
Penny Pritzker, President, Pritzker Realty Group
Michael E. Pulitzer, Chairman, Pulitzer Publishing Company
Jeffrey Raikes, Group VP, Microsoft
Steven Rattner, Managing Principal, Quadrangle Group LLC
Leonard Riggio, Founder and Chairman, Barnes & Noble
Stephen Robert, Former Chairman and CEO, Oppenheimer & Co.
Sandy Robertson, Founder and Partner, Francisco Partners
John W. Rogers, Jr., Founder, Chairman and CEO, Ariel Capital Management
Felix Rohatyn, Rohatyn Associates LLC
John Roos, Managing Director, Wilson Sonsini Goodrich and Rosati
Benjamin M. Rosen, Chairman Emeritus, Compaq Computer Corp.
Daniel Rosensweig, COO, Yahoo!
Jane Rosenthal, President, Tribeca Productions
Dave Roux, Co-Founder, Silver Lake Partners
Robert E. Rubin, Member, Office of the Chairman, Citigroup
Kevin P. Ryan, CEO, DoubleClick
Haim Saban, Chairman and CEO, Saban Capital Group
Herbert and Marion Sandler, Chairmen of the Board and CEOs, Golden West Financial Corporation
Roger W. Sant, Co-Founder and Chairman Emeritus, The AES Corporation
Henry B. Schacht, Director and Senior Advisor, Lucent Technologies, Former Chairman and CEO, Cummins
Engine
Dan Scheinman, Senior Vice President, Cisco Systems
Ivan Schlager, Partner, Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom
Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google
Bernard L. Schwartz, Chairman and CEO, Loral Space & Communications
Eli Segal, Chairman, SchoolSports, Vice Chairman, Riverside Partners
Gordon Segal, CEO, Crate and Barrel
Nicole Seligman, EVP & General Counsel, Sony Corporation of America
Rick Sergel, President and CEO, National Grid USA
Ron Shaich, CEO, Panera, LLC
Jonathan Shapiro, President, Lillian Vernon
David E. Shaw, Chairman and CEO, D.E. Shaw & Co.
Stanley S. Shuman, Managing Director, Allen & Co.
Russell Simmons, Chairman, President and CEO, Rush Communications
James Sinegal, President and CEO, Costco Wholesale
David B. Singer, Chairman, Oscient Pharmaceuticals, Founding CEO, Affymetrix
Marva Smalls, Executive Vice President, Public Affairs and Chief of Staff, Nickelodeon Networks
Jeffrey H. Smulyan, Chairman, President and CEO, Emmis Communications
Barry Sternlicht, Chairman & CEO, Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide, Inc.
Thomas F. Steyer, Founder and Senior Managing Member, Farallon Capital Management
Stiritz, William P., Chairman, Ralcorp Holdings, Chairman, Energizer Holdings, Former CEO, Ralston Purina
Lou Susman, Vice Chairman, Citigroup
Sally Susman, Senior Communications Executive
Percy Sutton, Chairman Emeritus, Inner City Broadcasting
Robert Tannenhauser, CEO, Business Loan Express LLC
Frederick Terrell, Chairman, Carver Bancorp; CEO and Managing Partner, Provender
John W. Thompson, Chairman and CEO, Symantec
Warren M. Thompson, Chairman and President, Thompson Hospitality
Jonathan Tisch, Chairman and CEO, Loews Hotels
Laura D'Andrea Tyson, Dean, London Business School
John Vogelstein, Vice Chairman, Warburg Pincus
Stephen Volk, Vice Chairman, Citigroup
Diane von Furstenberg, Chairman, Diane von Furstenberg Studio L.P.
Theodore Waitt, Chairman, Gateway, Inc.
Vera Wang, Founder, Vera Wang Company
Bruce Wasserstein, Investment Banking
Jann Wenner, Chairman, Wenner Media
Harvey Weinstein, Co-Chairman, Miramax Film Corp.
Robert Weinstein, Co-Chairman, Miramax Film Corp.
Jim Wiatt, President and CEO, William Morris Agency
Benaree P. Wiley, President and CEO, The Partnership
Ann L. Winblad, Co-Founder and Partner, Hummer Winblad Venture Partners
Jason H. Wright, Senior Vice President, Merrill Lynch & Co.
David Zucker, President and CEO, Midway Games


24 posted on 09/03/2006 6:30:19 PM PDT by Milhous (Twixt truth and madness lies but a sliver of a stream.)
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To: ZGuy

"Many are not averse to more government spending if it boosts their profits."

All in all, what corporations care about most is money. If law-abiding citizens must be disenfranchised to boost the bottom line-so be it. Wherever it comes from is fine with them, be it legals or illegals...


26 posted on 09/04/2006 7:22:30 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Milhous; george76; Liz; abb; BOBTHENAILER; LS; bert; petercooper

Thanks for posting the list of Key Execs for Kerry/Pretty Boygirl Edwards.

That list may be more important than the donation list.

Many of the donations like the one by Home Depot are basically an extortion payment to the enviral groups or to Je$$e HyJack$on.

This left wing key exec list and the really big corporate donors to the rats are what is critical here.


27 posted on 09/04/2006 8:27:19 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic lies/wet dreams posing as news.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Those Kerry supporters remind me of industrialists such as Krupp who supported the The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany (Nazi) in return for a docile workforce. Leftists try to use Krupp's arrangement as proof of Nazism's place on the right of the political spectrum. But Hitler's own words betray the true nature of Nazism.
"Capitalism as a whole will now be destroyed, the whole people will now be free. We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting very capitalism: we are making the people completely free." - excerpt from an early Hitler speech delivered on April 12 1922 in Munich

28 posted on 09/04/2006 9:00:14 AM PDT by Milhous (Twixt truth and madness lies but a sliver of a stream.)
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To: Milhous; george76; BOBTHENAILER; Richard Poe; LS
"Those Kerry supporters remind me of industrialists such as Krupp who supported the The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany (Nazi) in return for a docile workforce. Leftists try to use Krupp's arrangement as proof of Nazism's place on the right of the political spectrum.

But Hitler's own words betray the true nature of Nazism:

"Capitalism as a whole will now be destroyed, the whole people will now be free. We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting very capitalism: we are making the people completely free." - excerpt from an early Hitler speech delivered on April 12 1922 in Munich,

Thanks for posting this and the link. Too many Freepers will rush to label these American CEOs as communists. They are not communists. They are National Socialist Fascists just like their role models in Germany, who got in bed with Hitler. They hate competition, and instead of making a better product or service, they buy out the left wing politicians to eliminate any real competition.

29 posted on 09/04/2006 9:16:36 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic lies/wet dreams posing as news.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Couldn't have said it better myself.


30 posted on 09/04/2006 10:47:50 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: ZGuy

Article said:

Why do they do it? To understand why corporations give more money to the political left than to the political right, it is critical to understand that businesses are not inherently “pro-market.” Indeed, some business leaders may support tax increases and more government regulation because they believe it gives them an advantage over competitors

I heard this exactly. The CEO of the large company I work for said he did not mind more government regulation because the corpoartaion was big enough to handle it and more regulation helped make it harder on smaller competitors.


31 posted on 09/04/2006 11:51:49 AM PDT by Piers-the-Ploughman
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To: Grampa Dave

Couldn't have said it better myself.


32 posted on 09/04/2006 12:11:30 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: ZGuy

This article reinforces something I've believed for years,that being the misconception people have about the two political parties.Remember the first couple weeks after the Enron scandal broke? You could hardly turn on tv or read a newspaper report that didn't go out of it's way to tie the Republican party to Enron,however shortly after the facts that Enron donated equally as heavy to Democrap politicians,the scandal quickly lost it's front page status.The old expression "things aren't always what they appear to be" speaks volumes on the subject of this thread !!!


33 posted on 09/04/2006 12:12:51 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: ZGuy

Time Warner (2003) $76,390______$0
That's the same ratio of spin they use in all of their outlets.

Pro Left 76,390
Pro Right 0


34 posted on 09/04/2006 12:25:03 PM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: Obie Wan
This article reinforces something I've believed for years,that being the misconception people have about the two political parties.Remember the first couple weeks after the Enron scandal broke? You could hardly turn on tv or read a newspaper report that didn't go out of it's way to tie the Republican party to Enron,however shortly after the facts that Enron donated equally as heavy to Democrap politicians,the scandal quickly lost it's front page status.The old expression "things aren't always what they appear to be" speaks volumes on the subject of this thread !!!

Too true but Enron's real value to America's upper class came with its role as Wall Street scapegoat enabling the SEC to show how it runs rascals out of town thereby restoring a sense of security necessary to coax Middle America into trading further cash savings for pretty stock certificates.

35 posted on 09/04/2006 1:02:40 PM PDT by Milhous (Twixt truth and madness lies but a sliver of a stream.)
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To: Grampa Dave

"Too many Freepers will rush to label these American CEOs as communists. They are not communists. They are National Socialist Fascists just like their role models in Germany, who got in bed with Hitler. They hate competition, and instead of making a better product or service, they buy out the left wing politicians to eliminate any real competition."

I agree 100%. During my early years of college a discussion with a professor brought this conclusion my way. I was young, and simply couldn't believe corporations would do such a thing. However, being older and seeing the results produced by the greed of corporations and how they are quite willing to run a smaller competitor out of business for purely selfish reasons, reinforces their Hitler wanna be-itis...


36 posted on 09/04/2006 3:45:44 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: ZGuy

Bank of America...

If this isn't a good enough reason to switch over to Wells Fargo, I don't know what is...


37 posted on 09/04/2006 3:57:27 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

WalMart sucks... read it and weep...


38 posted on 09/04/2006 4:06:03 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: ProCivitas

WalMart went gay...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1694288/posts


39 posted on 09/04/2006 4:08:39 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

> WalMart sucks... read it and weep...

OMG! The Waltons will be devestated! The multi-squillion dollare store chain that they founded... SUCKS!

This is just terrible, terrble news. The Humanity!


40 posted on 09/04/2006 4:14:09 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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