ADL Blasts Christian Supremacist TV Special & Book Blaming Darwin For Hitler

The Anti-Defamation League ^ | August 22, 2006 | The Anti-Defamation League

[balrog666]

Actually, it is (some of) the fundamentalist Christians on FR who have advocated the continuation of slavery and the justification for it from their Bible.

[Zionist Conspirator]

There is only one issue I care to discuss on this thread, and that is whether Hitler was motivated by science or by religious bigotry.

Unless the Creator of the Universe has decreed that "religious bigotry is wrong," then religious bigotry is not wrong. What are you complaining about?

I was quite unaware that self-existent nature was so freaking "moral."

[Zionist Conspirator]

Sez you. Those atheists, agnostics and other non-Judeo-Christians who nevertheless manage to live lives more "moral" than many Christians dubunk your hypothesis rather quickly.

Since atheists are not intentionally subjecting themselves to the Will of the Creator, they are not living moral lives. Can you not understand English? I know you can't understand Hebrew!

And I notice now that it's "non-Judaeo-chr*stians" you're defending. Whatever happened to "only Nazi chr*stians have ever believed in G-d or the Bible?" Did you suddenly discover for the first time in your life that a chr*stian didn't write Genesis?

Oh well. At least now you won't make a fool of yourself loudly proclaiming that we must protect those wonderful "free-thinking" Jewish people from the ee-vil results of Genesis. But then, maybe not.

[Wallace T.]

There are self-styled Christians who are racists. There are also Marxists and Muslims who are racists. However, orthodox Christianity is clearly against racial supremacy, as numerous Biblical passages that indicate that saved believers are to be found in every race and nation, e.g. Revelation 5:9. Additionally, the Apostle Paul stated that there is neither Jew nor Greek in the body of Christian believers (Galatians 3:28). Islam and Marxism are universalist in the sense that there are to be no racial or ethnic preferences among their adherents. The racist actions of the Ku Klux Klan against black Americans, the involvement of Arab Muslims in the African slave trade, and the mass murder by Soviet Communists of Germans, Baltic peoples, and Chechens are in violation of the beliefs of their respective religions and/or philosophies.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Klaatu barada nikto.

I thought atheists and evolutionists were all pro-Jewish? I thought only "religious people" made fun of them?

Here's something else to make fun of:

Ki sheishet yamim `asah HaShem 'et HaShamayim ve'et Ha'Aretz.

Come on. Laugh. After all, it's obviously an anti-Semitic "chr*stian" quotation.

[Alouette]

Not everyone can understand and translate the message in your tagline.

[Zionist Conspirator]

BTW, kindly tell me why people who insist the human race must eventually speciate into multiple species are against racism?

Also kindly inform me as to why anti-racist evolutionists never object to the Biblical Fundamentalism of Blacks? Is it because "they're not as fully evolved and therefore can't help it," or is it because "they don't really mean it; they're actually leftwing intellectuals using a religious vocabulary?"

[js1138]

You have me at a disadvantage. You appear to have permission to say anything you want on this forum, whereas if I said what I think about you, I would be banned.

I don't want to be banned, so I'll leave it at that.

[Zionist Conspirator]

You have me at a disadvantage. You appear to have permission to say anything you want on this forum, whereas if I said what I think about you, I would be banned.

I don't want to be banned, so I'll leave it at that.

In other words, you have learned for the first time in your life that the Bible is Jewish and now you're afraid to say anything. I'll accept that!

Of course, this means I'll never learn why you can oppose "racism" while insisting that we're all speciating, or why it's perfectly all right for Black chr*stians to be Biblical literalists. But since you could not possibly have any answer, I guess your withdrawal comes just in time.

[b_sharp]

Not to step on anyone's toes, but how does:
The notion that Christianity and racism are incompatible is, by my first hand experience, ludicrous.

Imply this:
Now you want to talk about how the G-d and the Bible were invented by "racist chr*stians?"

js1138 did not imply that all Christians were racist. What he did say is that being a Christian does not prevent racism. It does not imply that he thinks the Bible was invented by racists.

Your comment was a pretty obvious non sequitur.

BTW, how much of the New Testament is not contained in Jewish religious texts? How many books in the Jewish religious texts are absent from the Bible?

If the answer to either of those questions is greater than zero then, yes, the Bible is a product of Christians (their status as racist or not is irrelevant) who happened to have borrowed much of the Old Testament.

Cooperation is just as much a part of Evolution as strife. The absence of absolute 'morals' from an outside source does not mean morality is not part of a species social structure.

[orionblamblam]

> Whatever happened to "only Nazi chr*stians have ever believed in G-d or the Bible?"

Wow. Just.... wow.

You know... this, more than anything, indicates that you have some *serious* problems. Nobody, certainly not I, ever said anything remotely like that.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Actually, it is (some of) the fundamentalist Christians on FR who have advocated the continuation of slavery and the justification for it from their Bible.

And in the absence of G-d slavery is wrong . . . why???

And the literalist Black chr*stians you defend from "fundamentalists" are never themselves criticized for their own fundamentalism by you . . . why???

It is forbidden to add to or subtract from the Torah, including concerning slavery. Or concubinage. Or polygyny. Or extermination of the Canaanites and `Amaleqites. Or anything else.

In the absence of G-d nothing is "self-evidently" objectively wrong. All you have is subjective hang-ups.

[orionblamblam]

[orionblamblam]

> And in the absence of G-d slavery is wrong . . . why???

Once again... *wow.*

[orionblamblam]

[balrog666]

You stopped beating your wife ... *WHY*?

[DanDenDar]

I always say, if you're going to read a crevo thread on FR, it's a good idea to have a copy of the DSM IV handy, to identify the odd things you meet.

Still, the line about the Mosiach slitting our throats was worth the price of admission. It's always thought it would be hard to make a fanatical Islamist look sane and moderate by comparison, but now I know it's possible.

[b_sharp]

"BTW, kindly tell me why people who insist the human race must eventually speciate into multiple species are against racism?"

I don't know where you got that idea from but it's not likely to happen. I know of no scientists who expect humans to split into different species. The human population is too large, too integrated and too amorphous to split into a number of different species. If anything, the opposite is happening.

"Also kindly inform me as to why anti-racist evolutionists never object to the Biblical Fundamentalism of Blacks? Is it because "they're not as fully evolved and therefore can't help it," or is it because "they don't really mean it; they're actually leftwing intellectuals using a religious vocabulary?"

'Evolutionists' are against anti-evolution wherever and whenever it is found. The ancestry of the anti-evolutionist is irrelevant.

[Wallace T.]

Karl Lueger was an Austrian politician of the late 19th and early 20th Centuries who was responsible for an anti-Semitic movement in his native Vienna. He was a socialist as well. Lueger was a Catholic, but his politics would hardly seem reflective of Catholic theology, or even that church's social teachings. Several popes that were Lueger's contemporaries denounced socialism in encyclicals. Martin Luther, the Protestant reformer, made notoriously anti-Semitic statements later in his life. The principal Lutheran bodies in the United States long ago renounced Luther's statements respective to Jews.

If "influence" is to be gauged by contact with a religion or by admiration for its professed adherents, we would have to consider Marxism an offshoot of Christianity, specifically Lutheranism. Karl Marx was raised in the Lutheran faith. Although he later rejected that faith, Marxism was strongly affected by the concept of the dialectic developed by Georg Hegel, who had been a Lutheran. Hegel's philosophy was in turn a development of the ideas of Immanuel Kant, who was to my knowledge, a lifelong Lutheran.

Marxism is, of course, utterly opposed to Lutheranism or any other religion. Any influence Lueger or Luther may have had on Hitler did not make the German dictator a Christian nor Nazism a Christian based movement.

[atlaw]

"Morality" means "obedience to the decrees of the Creator."

Which appears to render meaningless Genesis 3:22.

I define a sociopath as someone who rejects arbitrary Divine decree.

But you will concede, I take it, that sociopath may also be defined as someone who claims to accept arbitrary Divine decree (flying airplanes into buildings comes to mind).