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Slur Shows Presidential Hopeful Unworthy
Times Union ^ | 8/22/06

Posted on 08/22/2006 5:44:40 AM PDT by areafiftyone

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To: areafiftyone
Throw the bum out!

There's no place for racism in the Party of Lincoln, civil rights, and the abolition of slavery--i.e. the Republican Party.

Racists can find plenty of room in the Democrat Party--the party of segregation, racism, slavery, bigotry, tyrrany, Jim Crow, and the Ku Klux Klan!

101 posted on 08/22/2006 6:55:02 AM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President George Bush.)
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To: areafiftyone

I'm on the recieving end sometimes as well... You may like some of these I found...

YOU KNOW YOU'RE FROM NEW YORK CITY WHEN...





* You think Central Park is "nature."

* You're paying $1,200 for a studio the size of a walk-in closet and you think it's a "steal."

* You've been to New Jersey twice and got hopelessly lost both times.

* You pay more each month to park your car than most people in the U.S. pay in rent.

* You go to dinner at 9 and head out to the clubs when most Americans are heading to bed.

* You have 27 different menus next to your telephone.

* Going to Brooklyn is considered a "road trip."

* America west of the Hudson is still theoretical to you.

* You're suspicious of strangers who are actually nice to you.

* You take a taxi to get to your health club to exercise.

* Your idea of personal space is no one actually standing on your toes.

* $50 worth of groceries fit in one paper bag.

* Your doorman is Russian, your grocer is Korean, your deli man is Israeli, your building super is Italian, your laundry guy is Chinese, your favorite bartender is Irish, your favorite diner owner is Greek, the watch seller on your corner is Senegalese, your last cabbie was Pakistani, your newsstand guy is Indian and your favorite falafel guy is Egyptian.

* You say "the city" and expect everyone to know that it means Manhattan.

* You secretly envy cabbies for their driving skills.

* You have never been to the Statue of Liberty or the Empire State Building.

* You can get into a four-hour argument about how to get from Columbus Circle to Battery Park at 3:30 on the Friday before a long weekend, but can't find Wisconsin on a map.

* Hookers and the homeless are invisible.

* The subway makes sense.

* The subway should never be called anything prissy, like the Metro.

* You believe that being able to swear at people in their own language makes you multi-lingual.

* You think $7.00 to cross a bridge is a fair price.

* You've considered stabbing someone just for saying "The Big Apple."

* Your door has more than three locks.

* You go to a hockey game for the fighting. In the stands. To participate.

* Your favorite movie has DeNiro in it.

* The most frequently used part of your car is the horn.

* You consider eye contact an act of overt aggression.

* You call an 8' x 10' plot of patchy grass a yard. You complain about having to mow it.

* You are a skee-ball juggernaut.

* You consider Westchester "Upstate."

* You cried the day Mayor Ed Koch took over for Judge Wapner.

* You run when you see a flashing "Do Not Walk" sign at the intersection.


102 posted on 08/22/2006 6:55:14 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: notigar
How he said he used it or not is irrelevant.

The press is claiming that it must be a racial slur because it is an insult in the Ladino dialect of his Sephardic jewish mother.

I am pointing out that the press is wrong as usual and that the word has no racial connotation in Ladino.

Allen says it was not a racial comment, and the word's own background shows that it is not a racial comment.

103 posted on 08/22/2006 6:56:11 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: photodawg

bingo.


104 posted on 08/22/2006 6:56:22 AM PDT by ProCivitas (Qui bono? Quo warranto? ; Who benefits? By what right/authority ?)
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To: Hand em their arse

LOL Those are so true it's scary!


105 posted on 08/22/2006 6:57:53 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: areafiftyone

My favorite has to be, "You consider eye contact an act of overt aggression" LOL!


106 posted on 08/22/2006 6:59:55 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: claudiustg
The definition is derived from the macaque monkeys - "macacas" in Ladino - that are common in markets and public places in North Africa and especially Gibraltar where the Sephardic jews historically lived.

These macaques have no fear of people and like to steal food from unsuspecting people, beg for food from people who are eating, follow pedestrians around, reach in their pockets to take shiny things like coins that appeal to them, and generally make themselves a nuisance.

Calling someone a "macaca" in Ladino is about as racially charged as calling someone a "pitbull" - the epithet applies to a perceived behavior in an individual, and not to their race.

107 posted on 08/22/2006 7:00:26 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Hand em their arse
* You consider eye contact an act of overt aggression.

That is me to a tee. Plus I do have 20 menus next to my phone. LOL Pizza mostly. My favorite food.

108 posted on 08/22/2006 7:02:03 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: wideawake

I call my cats "little monkey boys" when they are troublesome and pesky, which is often.

Did you see that the wikipedia definition of macaca as a slur only dates from 17Aug06?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaca_%28slur%29

Hit the history tab and select [earliest].


109 posted on 08/22/2006 7:07:42 AM PDT by claudiustg (Iran delenda est.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

> he can apparently use French <


In other words:

John Forbes Kahn/Kerry speaks French --> Good! Shows he's a worldly sophisticate.

George Felix Allen speaks French --> Bad! Shows he's a redneck.


110 posted on 08/22/2006 7:09:04 AM PDT by Hawthorn (I've seen a lot of white macacas in my time. I'm going to use that word!)
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To: wideawake

how he thinks he used it is the most relevant thing there is. his campaign has said it was a mix up of mohawk and caca. now, that has been going on for a few days. You think Allen wouldn't correct that if it were wrong?


111 posted on 08/22/2006 7:10:30 AM PDT by notigar
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To: areafiftyone

check your mail...


112 posted on 08/22/2006 7:12:08 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: Savage Beast

Good heavens Mrs. Meade. Remember yourself.


113 posted on 08/22/2006 7:14:38 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: notigar
how he thinks he used it is the most relevant thing there is.

Incorrect.

The media has claimed it is a slur based on etymology. The true etymology of the word shows that it is not a racial slur.

99.9999% of Americans have never heard the word "macaca" it has no meaning for them and as far as they are concerned it is a nonsense word, not a slur. It could well be a slip of the tongue for "mohawk" or something on Allen's part - it could also be Allen unconsciously using a word that his mother used to use that he never realized was a real word.

It only becomes a slur in the public mind when the press succeeds in convincing people that it is a real word and a slur at that.

114 posted on 08/22/2006 7:26:44 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: claudiustg
I note that the Wikipedia entry makes references to the French word "macaque" being a slur in the French language.

What that has to do with the use of the Ladino word "macaca" in the Ladino language remains a mystery.

Allen did not say "macaque."

115 posted on 08/22/2006 7:29:31 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: areafiftyone
Name calling is not necessary.

It's never necessary, but explains why some support Allen even moreso, having called out a person by using a label instead of being an adult about the situation. Regardless of Allen's definition of 'macaca' when he used it, he used it as a slur, and was comfortable doing it. Not presidential.
116 posted on 08/22/2006 7:34:13 AM PDT by kenth
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To: wideawake

Had he intended to use Mohawk, but garbled it, why does he think being called a Mohawk is derogatory, unless he takes a dim and lesser view of Mohawks?


117 posted on 08/22/2006 7:37:52 AM PDT by kenth
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To: Condor51
As of Jan 1, 2007 all spoken and written words are hereby banned
because every word is derogatory in some obscure language
nobody has ever heard of, except the three people who speak it on
an atoll in the pacific, or deep in the amazon jungle, and somebody
may take offense or have their feelings hurt - directly or indirectly,
now and/or in the future. As such, mankind shall henceforth
communicate by shrugs and grunts ONLY!


hahahahahahaha
118 posted on 08/22/2006 7:37:59 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: wideawake

I'm having trouble understanding how you find it easy to believe that he "slipped" and said macaca when he meant mohawk (twice), but impossible to think that he pronounced a word that is spelled macaque as "makakka". Which is closer?


119 posted on 08/22/2006 7:41:09 AM PDT by notigar
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To: Corin Stormhands
your right...he said it twice in about a minute span.
then peppered it with something like:

Welcome to the real world, welcome to America, welcome to virginia."

Allen stunk.
120 posted on 08/22/2006 7:42:51 AM PDT by stylin19a
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