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Column One: The coming wars
The Jerusalem Post ^ | August 18, 2006 | Caroline Glick

Posted on 08/18/2006 6:28:41 AM PDT by yoe

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"In the not so distant future, we will find ourselves at war with Iran. Today, the choice of whether we fight that war in our own time, and before Iran gets nuclear weapons is in our hands. If we hesitate, if we and the rest of the free world waste precious time with worthless diplomatic wrangling with the ayatollahs, war will come to us, but on the enemy's terms. And we will have only ourselves to blame."


1 posted on 08/18/2006 6:28:43 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe
One more time...

Exchanging several hundred crazed killers for one or two israelis is a fair trade (in the abstract) but makes no sense whatsoever in the larger scheme of things...

Yes, I am aware that one Israeli is worth more than several hundred "palestinians", but still...

2 posted on 08/18/2006 6:33:58 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: yoe

Olmert is the proximal reason that Israel has forcefully positioned itself under the descending jihadist boot. Israeli loss of will is the reason for Olmert. When death is preferable to exertion then death is ordained.


3 posted on 08/18/2006 6:35:44 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: zot

ping


4 posted on 08/18/2006 6:37:28 AM PDT by GreyFriar ( (3rd Armored Division - Spearhead))
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To: yoe
This woman needs to stop giving comfort to the enemies when she keeps writing that Israel lost. There is no difference between her and our liberal media who tell us that we lost the war on terror. Israel won this war, despite all the rhetoric of the terrorists and the knee jerk reactions of Israeli and Western analysts, media, and politicians.

Israel killed 600 Hizballah terrorists and injured a similar number and that is from a total force of 2000 terrorists, that is the closest thing to annihilation. Israel destroyed Hizballah military infrastructure in Southern Lebanon and South Beirut, they destroyed a lot of Hizballah weapons, tunnels, and fortifications. Israel forced Hizballah to accept 30000 Lebanese and international troops to be in South Lebanon greatly limiting Hizballah military activities and forcing them to be much more clandestine. Finally, Israel is still forcing Hizballah leadership to hide in bunkers even after the cease fire.

That is how Israel Won

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1684891/posts

5 posted on 08/18/2006 6:40:04 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: yoe

Amen...


6 posted on 08/18/2006 6:42:20 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: yoe
Scary in its truthful assessment.

Bttt

7 posted on 08/18/2006 6:42:28 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: Publius6961

Surely they aren't that dumb. ><


8 posted on 08/18/2006 6:54:55 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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Syrians Demand Military Action To Reclaim Golan Heights (8-18-2006)
9 posted on 08/18/2006 6:57:20 AM PDT by blam
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Palestinian sources explain that the decision of whether or not to release Shalit is firmly in the hands of the Iranians and Syrians

What about the two missing FNC guys ? I bet they're no longer in Gaza.

10 posted on 08/18/2006 6:59:02 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: yoe

No wonder the self-esteem of these cutthroat cultists is
so low. One Israeli is worth 600 of them.

Israel needs to decline to swap on those terms, out of
respect for the fragile jihadii psychology ...

... and also because it will just promote more kidnapping.


11 posted on 08/18/2006 7:26:24 AM PDT by Boundless (Imagine if Fox had a news channel)
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Prisoner Trades are virtually the same as paying ransom.

It just encourages more of the same, and those that reinforce that idea can only expect more abductions in the future.

What did hezbos and syria say the entire time?
"we've done this many times in the past and usually we give them dead bodies of people we captured, and they give us a few thousand of our suicide bombers they caught -- I don't understand why they are attacking us back like this"
12 posted on 08/18/2006 7:29:03 AM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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>makes no sense whatsoever in the larger scheme of things...

I thought the whole point
of attacking Lebanon
was to get their guys

back by force rather
than a prisoner exchange.
Is it possible

the Mossad people
don't know where the soldiers are?
Seems to me the world

is gonna be pissed
and say, Hell, if you will deal,
why didn't you deal

a few weeks ago
before all the Lebanese
died in the crossfire . . .

13 posted on 08/18/2006 7:34:17 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: jveritas
I agree with you that Israel won....but like Glick, it should not have ended until someone screamed Uncle - lessons learned from the Gulf War? We should have kept going........this is in part, what Glick is saying. No one wants to go to war against Syria and Iran BUT they are going to go to WAR against Israel very soon; they now have the time to refit and that is exactly what they, Hizbollah and Hamas are doing. Another reason we must "stay the course" in Iraq.....using power, NOT "going to social work" as VIN SUPRYNOWICZ succinctly put it........
14 posted on 08/18/2006 7:37:16 AM PDT by yoe
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In response to Assad's speech on Tuesday, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said that Assad has to decide if he's on the side of peace or on the side of war. Defense Minister Amir Peretz outdid even that when he said that now that the war is over, it is time for Israel to get down to the real business of peace and to set the conditions for a renewal of the peace negotiations with Syria.

well, one needs go no further than two read what these two have said to understand what happened in Lebanon.

Olmert, Halutz, Livni and Peretz gotta go, and quickly before round 2 starts...

15 posted on 08/18/2006 7:47:50 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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at the ceasefire of WWI, the German public believed that Germany won the war, on the figures and statistics.

you may quote the statistics you want, but the future will form based on the perception of what happened in lebanon, and it is very, very grim for israel - the blame rests squarely on the four idiots olmert, halutz, peretz and livni and the rest of their leftist, kumbaya appeasement crowd. their actions will cause the deaths of countless more israelis, as the jihad grows emboldened.

glick is a pretty sober and realistic analyst IMHO.

16 posted on 08/18/2006 8:10:45 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: chilepepper
Get real. Germany declaration of victory after WW I are to be compared to Hizballah declaration of victory, both are fake and delusional.

Also your ignorance of history is shocking. Germany surrendered in WW I by signing the Versaille treaty giving up territories, and DISARMING. Do you see Israel surrendering to Hizballah, giving up its territories and disarming?

17 posted on 08/18/2006 8:25:51 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: chilepepper

PS: Go and read.


18 posted on 08/18/2006 8:26:14 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Publius6961

Personally, I'd tag 'em, exchange 'em, give 'em a couple of days, then hunt them down and hit their locations with 2000 lb. bombs - the Bad Neighbor policy ("Its really bad to have people like this as neighbors...")
Then again, I think the Israelis ought to assassinate terrorist bigwigs, and napalm the funerals.


19 posted on 08/18/2006 8:45:25 AM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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none-the-less, >> the German population << believed that they had won WWI, and turned on their politicians who they felt had betrayed them at Versailles, and on the Jews who they believed had betrayed them.

these were the roots of WWII, and Adolf Hitler delivered on one of his promises which was to "set things right" with Versailles treaty - hence the painstaking effort to sign the French surrender in the Versailles railroad car, and having one of the original Versailles treaty signers there to sign the French surrender, etc.

perhaps *you* should read more history??

20 posted on 08/18/2006 8:50:05 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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