Posted on 08/16/2006 7:43:31 PM PDT by Samwise
Yesterday the Muncie newspaper said that the other places where these guys had been were Muncie, Montpelier, Bluffton, Decatur and Fort Wayne.
I definitely noticed that, too. The Egyptian student that showed up in Minnesota had applied for a state ID card , as well.
Maybe but think of it this way. Perhaps they aren't the moonbats you think they are. Thousands of cell phones represent a much more difficult trace problem. If they are of the "pre-paid" variety they come with assigned numbers. Be hard to track just which ones could be active tirggers, although it would be easy to just shut down the coverage area (as in the case of NYC a few weeks ago). Not being a demo expert I could be all wet, but that seems to make the most sense as to why they are buying them in bulk.
Thanks for keeping those maps. I hope the powers-that-be are tracking them too.
Whatever they're up to, it isn't good. Even if they are "just money laundering" or reselling, what are the proceeds funding?
I agree. I am well aware of their usefulness. I still think they are moonbats though.
"At any rate, you can bet that such phones would become much more scarce in America after a domestic terrorist bombing campaign began. They could very well be stockpiling now for when that day (which may never) comes."
Sure, lets just toss things out to scare the uninformed ...
EVEN if this were the case, don't you think the carriers who actually provide the service for tracphone could just cut off all their blocks of numbers ?
... or tracphone simply stop activating them ?
Ding Ding ! We have a Winner !
Someone here ( besides the Feds ) understands whats actually happening with these guys.
AP has a little snip today that the Feds just filed fraud charges against these guys.
As much as some here are drooling over the thought that they might have found some terrorism, it looks as if they are to be disappointed again.
No, if they pay cash and get cash in return, it's all underground. One phone with unlimited free minutes is worth more than $1000 on the street. If they become an authorized Tracfone dealer (which requires many hoops and a huge bond posted)it's not underground anymore.
LMR <--- sells prepaid phones for Cricket Jump, Boost Mobile, Telrite and Airvoice
I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying for example you could buy one of these for 20 dollars and unlock it and use Sprint?
Yes...with a sprint contract, or any other provider. The wireless carriers are engineering these phones with their own "software" so that the phone only works on their network or only has the gizmos *they* want on the phone. Personally, I think it's wrong.
It's no different than buying a television at Best Buy (any kind) and Best Buy programs it so that it only gets certain stations and only performs certain functions that are limited in scope to the television's entire performance.
But then why are the middle easterners all over this?
OK, I don't want to be sterotypical here, BUT....
You know how there's the silly 7-11 Store/Indian store owner stereotype? A lot of people of middle eastern decent are in the wireless business. I don't know why, it's just an "is."
This whole thing is very troubling.
On the one hand, the "unlocking to resell them for big profit" story makes perfect sense (see my posting history for some links -- they're right toward the top of my posting history page, maybe five posts from the top).
It's also the kind of "arbitrage" racket that would be a natural for middle-eastern "camel-trader" types. About 25 years ago I had a retail camera store. Bought and sold used equipment. College town, *lots* of middle-eastern types. You would not *believe* the kind of horse-trading these guys would do. They have the sharpest pencil in the world. Maddening, to an *American* who simply wants to write up the sale and get on to the *next* customer.
I found out that much of the stuff they were buying (used cameras and lenses) was going back to the middle east, to be sold on the black market. Apparently there was a killing to be made due to the exhorbitant prices in the "white" market (severe duties and import taxes, from what I gathered), so these guys would buy up stuff here, take it home with them, sell at a huge profit, and still be able to have "bargain" prices for their customers.
The ease with which they slipped into "camel-trader" mode made it pretty obvious to me that it was a cultural thing, something they'd been doing for years. (I can only imagine the hoops they'd put a used car dealer through! :)
So, it makes sense that they'd find an opportunity to "buy low, sell high" with these phones in a racket like this.
But on the other hand... The fact that the story makes perfect sense, *also* means that it would make a perfect *cover* story.
Maybe they *are* actually reselling them on the "gray" market. (This would also perhaps explain them tossing the "stock" wall-wart chargers -- they'd probably bundle them with drop-in rapid chargers, to make even more money. People forking out for a phone like that would probably *not* want one with an "overnight" wall-wart charger -- they'd want to be able to do a quick easy rapid-charge. And if the dealers sell *those* too, well, even more money in the bank for 'em.)
But, maybe they're only doing that with "some" of them, capesh? IF this is the "business model", they'd -- with all the thousands and thousands of phones going through their hands -- be able to "prove" that they really *are* selling them for resale. Of course, if "only" a few *hundred* phones "fell through the cracks" and *don't* show up in their sales records, how is any investigator going to find out about it? All they're going to see is a bunch of receipts for cash purchases of phones, and payment records from buyers, but there'd be *no* way to track individual phones.
Stuff to keep us up at night, worrying... (at least until Aug. 22 and the other likely target dates have passed).
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