If this was a defeat, the Israelis must be praying for a lot more of them

The Times (U.K.) ^ | 08/14/06 | Tim Hames

[tomzz]

That, is about the way I see it. Thanks.

[elcid1970]

Refreshing assessment. Many aspects of the recent action not previously considered. Especially the writer's view that the "ceasefire" does not tie Israel's hands regarding future action.

But goll dang, Ah sure as heck's fire hope that the sonafab!tch is right!

[tomzz]

He is. If this is what winning a war against Israel amounts to, I would REALLY hate to see what losing one would look like.

[kentj]

Victory or defeat that is the question. All thru history the common measure of who won is always determined by the crap factor.

I works like this - who is crapping in whose yard - I believe we have much more Jewish doo doo in hes-bo-La-La-land than hezy-poo-poo la in the promised land.

Conclusion - the IDF has won and continues to win and wipe today.

[stripes1776]

That Lebanese civilians with no connection to terrorism have died while all this has occurred is a tragedy of the highest order.

The death of anonymous civilians in war is not a tragedy at all, let alone of the highest order. It is one of the grim and brutal consequences of war.

[veronica]

Thanks. I needed this.

[elcid1970]

I agree, except that the drive-by media are willing accomplices of the hezziemuzzies. All that Nasrallah al-Dirtbag has to do is to declare, "I'm alive, the Jews failed to kill me, therefore I win!"

And so it is reported by the Osama News Networks of the world.

Anybody remember the 1968 Tet Offensive in Vietnam? Huge tactical defeat for the NVA/VC, yet Walter Krankheit declared them victorious. Calamity would later follow.

Those who fail to learn from history.......

[ExTexasRedhead]

My bet is that the ceasefire will not last 24 hours. No way are the fanatical Hezzies going to stop.

[SwinneySwitch]

Israel's weekend push to the Litani River means hundreds of Hezbollah are caught behind IDF lines and most of them will die before the shooting stops.

[rogue yam]

I think it is far too soon to label either side the winner or loser. Israel suffered dozens of casualties Saturday and more on Sunday. This war is far from over. We can't even know what it will look 72 hours from now. Go IDF!

[chichilarue]

Make-believe stories like this will make proper reform impossible. Not until the US and Israel realize the catastrophe that Olmert-Condi have forced on all of us will we be motivated to ask for real change. Israel battling a force of 3000 for 4 wks and making no gains whatsoever is an enormous PR coup for radical Islam, which they will use to stage ever more daring attacks against the West. Any chance for moderation in Jordan, Egypt, etc., is now gone as these regimes realize they must make ever greater concessions to their mad populations. Worse still, this Israeli PR defeat (Hezbollah taking over Israel was never really a question--PR was 85% of this war) virtually ensures future attacks, perhaps by an Iran-Arab coallition.

You don't seem to understand that the presence of the UN now will only serve the purpose of making Israel's future retaliation almost impossible. Also, Israel makes the territorial concession of Sheba farms, thereby having gone into this war with more territory than it comes out...Hezbollah, in other words, managed de facto to conquer a part of Israel.

We need to realize the depths of this defeat so we can throw out backstabbers like Olmert and Condi.

[goldstategop]

This is spin. Any one who thinks Hezbollah will disarm or that Iran and Syria will stop supplying the terrorist organization is dreaming. There will be no ceasefire. The war will go on.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em Down Hezbullies.)

[Billthedrill]

Make-believe stories like this will make proper reform impossible.

What do you consider "proper" reform? And how did Condi stab anyone in the back?

You're smelling a little like a troll, my friend.

[chichilarue]

Stop threatening. I think Bolton should replace Condi. Just because I'm a conservative I don't have to agree with the Scowcroft-trained Condi.

Proper reform: resignation of the Olmert cabinet, and a Likud govt. in place; in the US, replace Condi with Bolton, and Rumsfeld with someone better, I don't know, anyone...like Michael Savage.

[chichilarue]

PS Condi stabbed Israel (and us) in the back by pushing through and agreeing to this "cease fire" = defeat. She didn't have to do this...she "thought" she had to, because "it's her job" as sec. state. She's an empty skirt.

[Billthedrill]

So, a Secretary of State acting under direction from the President stabbed us in the back? What fantasy world do you live in?

You're smelling a lot like a troll now.

[stop_fascism]

I agree with most of your post. However, I think Rice and Bolton did about the best they could when they realized that the Olmert goverment was not going to attack the hezbos on the ground.

[Hound of the Baskervilles]

"that, is about the way I see it. Thanks."

Me too. I've been saying similar things. The end is not near, the sky is not falling. Olmert took moderate meaures and got a moderate result. That's not good enough he has to go. The glass is half full. Build on it and win next time.

[sinkspur]

You're smelling a lot like a troll now.

He is. Check his posts in the last 12 days since signup.

Nothing but rants against Condi Rice.

The Secretary of State does not MAKE policy. She conveys the policy of the Administration.

The above article is a breath of fresh air in an otherwise morose landscape of certain Israeli defeat.