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Planes vulnerable to bombs built on board, ingredients hidden in daily objects: Experts
The Hindu News ^ | August 10, 2006 | Staff

Posted on 08/10/2006 11:48:06 AM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer

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To: twigs

There are a number of security risks.


The guy who unbundles the newspapers at the newsstand within the gates already has a boxcutter.

The people who prep the plane between flights can leave something on a plane in the cabin or wheelwell.

Add to this "security" guards who were stealing items from luggage being screened. What's to stop them from putting something (like an explosive device) INTO luggage? Obviously there isn't enough oversight to keep their hands 100% clean.


21 posted on 08/10/2006 12:03:46 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Annie Jacobsen wrote about this a while back after watching them in action.

http://www.womenswallstreet.com/columns/column.aspx?aid=578


22 posted on 08/10/2006 12:04:48 PM PDT by JZelle
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To: 2banana
Sure, they run on time.
23 posted on 08/10/2006 12:04:57 PM PDT by kallisti
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To: twigs

we need to concerned about anyone who has
easy and unscrutinized access to any areas
of planes. deadbolting the front door but
leaving the backdoor hanging wide open is
just not doing anything for my sense of
personal security.


24 posted on 08/10/2006 12:05:28 PM PDT by leda (Life is always what you make it!)
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To: weegee

and what about the bathrooms? Can they make them with see through walls? I'm serious. could they have it so when seated you have privacy but otherwise we have a clear view of what people are doing in there?

And timers are needed too. Unless you have medical/bowel problems of some kind, you shouldn't be in the potty very long. This may be something to consider.


25 posted on 08/10/2006 12:06:10 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Why do you need an expert to tell you this, particularly right after the London plot was busted?


26 posted on 08/10/2006 12:07:03 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: taxcontrol
There is enough power in the lights in the bathroom to trigger an explosive. A couple of wires and you can make a circuit. And guess what, you can use the headphones provided for entertainment as a source for the wire.

Heck with some explosives, you don't even need an electrical circuit to set it off. I strong blow can set off a lot of stuff.

They make announcments about attempts to tamper with the smoked detector in the bathroom. Not sure how much of that is triggered with such devices.

27 posted on 08/10/2006 12:08:15 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: weegee
What's to stop them from putting something (like an explosive device) INTO luggage?

Never thought of that. Ugh!

28 posted on 08/10/2006 12:08:37 PM PDT by twigs
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Frosted showerglass in a bathroom. The stewardess can observe that you aren't messing with the walls.


29 posted on 08/10/2006 12:09:11 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I've been thinking about the restrooms too. They need to become much safer. Timers are a good idea. Don't know how to handle the privacy issue, but I hope someone somewhere is working on it.


30 posted on 08/10/2006 12:10:14 PM PDT by twigs
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To: Dilbert San Diego

There are public toilets on the streets of some cities that automatically open the door after Xminutes.

In part to keep junkies from using them.


31 posted on 08/10/2006 12:10:43 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: TChris

[...a determined, intelligent group of people can probably come up with a way to bring down an airplane, regardless of TSA...]


This is correct. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY to ensure security of the public as long as there exists a group of zealots determined to kill the innocent, without regard to the consequences. Eliminating the source of the threat is the only answer.


32 posted on 08/10/2006 12:10:56 PM PDT by spinestein (Follow The Brazen Rule)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
The next terrorist attacks on civilian aircraft could be carried out by passengers who hide their bomb ingredients in innocent-looking containers for talcum powder, baby formula or medicine bottles and assemble their weapon behind a locked restroom door, security experts warn."

Wasn't this a recent episode of "24"?
33 posted on 08/10/2006 12:10:56 PM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (A storm is coming...)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

"Are the airlines going to service you on board?"

Depending on the stewardess, I probably wouldn't mind all that much...


34 posted on 08/10/2006 12:11:09 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: twigs

There is no privacy in a dressing room. People are watching through the mirror.

Don't know what an airplane bathroom offers that a department store dressing room doesn't.

Yep. SOME PEOPLE ruined it for everybody.


35 posted on 08/10/2006 12:13:23 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Yeah my ex military coworker was saying how he could go thru security empty handed and buy enough stuff in the shops to construct a bomb onboard, and all it would have to do is cause a fire over the Atlantic and it's all over. Wouldn't even have to be a huge explosion.

What's shocking is that this hasn't been attempted before now.


36 posted on 08/10/2006 12:13:27 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Voltage

"How long can we live this way?"

As long as you want. Just stay in your home. Lock the doors and never go out, except to shop at stores where no Muslims work.

Don't fly. Don't take the train. Stay off the subway.

Me? I'm going about my normal business, as I have been all along.


37 posted on 08/10/2006 12:13:39 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: weegee

"They make announcments about attempts to tamper with the smoked detector in the bathroom."

That's to keep you from disabling it so you can smoke a cigarette. We can't have any filthy smokers on our airplanes, you see.


38 posted on 08/10/2006 12:14:43 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

About time they realize these Islamofascists are serious about killing more Americans. There were articles about putting bombs together onboard a year ago. We'll just have to thank God and the UK and the FBI, everyone involved, Pakistan, too, that we aren't mourning the loss of 3000 Americans plus whomever they hit on ground once planes fell from the sky. Monstrous. Suggestion: Let's name the enemy. Muslims, muslims, muslims. And if so called moderate Muslims think Jihad is justified, then they're not moderate. They're the enemy and should be treated as such.


39 posted on 08/10/2006 12:14:57 PM PDT by hershey
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To: livius
Maybe we're approaching "fly nude."

It's embarrassing and uncomfortable to fly naked, so the airlines will hand out identical jumpsuits and paper booties.

Moslems will still be exempt, because they will complain that it is "against their religion."

40 posted on 08/10/2006 12:15:06 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 79-82)
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