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That’s it, Uncle Sam: The author renounces his US citizenship
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 08/12/06 | Boris Johnson

Posted on 08/10/2006 7:25:32 AM PDT by Pokey78

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To: thinkthenpost

If he LOVES the USA (as he said), why did he let his passport expire from a country HE LOVES?

Sounds like he wants it both ways. He wants to be treated as an American, but he didn't go through the proper procedure to keep up his American passport.

He wants to live his life as if it isn't important to keep his American status current -- until he wants to enter the U.S. Then he says -- Opppps.


141 posted on 08/11/2006 1:32:59 PM PDT by i_dont_chat (I have the right to offend. You can take offense or not.)
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To: Pokey78
Who is Boris Johnson?

WTF should I care?

Does he have extra one-way tickets (send Sheehan with him)?

142 posted on 08/11/2006 1:33:28 PM PDT by lormand (Nuke the Islamic States, or kiss your @55 goodbye)
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To: agere_contra

I agree with you.


143 posted on 08/11/2006 1:39:54 PM PDT by DeuceTraveler (Freedom is a never ending struggle)
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To: Pokey78; All
But my first passport was green, and when we landed at Dover or Heathrow I felt secretly cool to be the one to present his document to be stamped.
So he had one of those special edition green Ben Franklin passports some of my American friends complained about having (because a green USA passport was pretty uncommon and caused them to get detained in places they'd never seen it)?
Or did I miss something. Isn't the stereotype US passport always blue?
144 posted on 08/11/2006 1:40:43 PM PDT by freedom moose (has de cultivar el que sembres)
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To: Pokey78

Fine, Boris. Go. Don't let the door hit you on the backside on the way out, you ingrate.


145 posted on 08/11/2006 2:03:51 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: eeevil conservative

"If he LOVED America- he would recognize that the "passport" issue is there to PROTECT AMERICA- for starters"

Explain? How is America endangered by allowing him to use his perfectly valid British passport? If he renounces his citizenship, why does it then become safe to allow him to use the same British passport again?

"Also- he would not be writing a public claim of wanting a divorce form America over THIS ONE ISSUE!"

He doesn't claim to 'want' a divorce, it is the only option which will allow him to use his British passport as a British citizen. If this was his desired outcome, I doubt Boris would have gone to the trouble of writing an article about it.


146 posted on 08/11/2006 2:20:58 PM PDT by Canard
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To: Canard

Boris is, believe it or not, a Conservative MP. He really seems to like himself.


147 posted on 08/11/2006 2:25:56 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Pokey78
This 42 year old twit gets his feewings hurt so he renounces his citizenship?

He's got a pretty high opinion of himself. Good bye Boris.

148 posted on 08/11/2006 2:36:59 PM PDT by Toadman
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To: Toadman
I kinda feel like I'm just repeating my own and other posts now, but hey ho. No he isn't renouncing his citizenship because he got his feelings hurt. He is renouncing it because otherwise US immigration will not allow him to use his perfectly valid UK passport to enter the US as a UK citizen
149 posted on 08/11/2006 2:43:10 PM PDT by Canard
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To: Old Student
IIRC, you cannot hold a position in a foreign government, and retain your US citizenship.

Well, sort of. According to the State Department website, if you hold a non-policy level position in a foreign government, the State Department will presume that you don't intend to renounce your citizenship. But if you voluntarily hold a policy level position (like being a Member of Parliament), the presumption is that you intended to renounce your citizenship. I don't think you officially lose your citizenship, though, unless you file the necessary paperwork with an overseas consulate or some sort of administrative action is brought against you.

The United States is hardly the only country that requires its citizens to enter and leave the country using that country's passport, by the way.

Most U.S. airports don't have sterile international transit areas, like in Europe. Thus, people transiting from Europe to Mexico could theoretically leave the airport while en-route. Houston's new international terminals might be able to be set up as a sterile area, but currently isn't, since ICE regulations require visas for transit through a sterile area anyway.
150 posted on 08/11/2006 2:49:35 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Canard
He did get his feelings hurt because he feels he needs to share his pain in an article read by all.

I respect your opinion but disagree... yes some bureaucratic mechanisms are moronic but immigration rules / regulations are created for our safety among other things. The immigration official was doing his job yet Boris expecgts him to violate his integrety, break the rule -law- and get himself fired? If Boris doesn't like it there are other ways of getting one's point across or causing change rather than whining in a newspaper article.

151 posted on 08/11/2006 3:05:29 PM PDT by Toadman
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To: conservative in nyc

My impression and I may be mistaken is that Boris has previously entered and departed the US using a British issued passport and that this requirement is relatively new, (most likely about five years old) the fact that he can renounce his US citizenship and have apparently NO problem entering makes the rule and my understanding of it at this time fairly ridiculous..


152 posted on 08/11/2006 3:23:50 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: Toadman

The way I read the piece is that it was not an ICE employee, or even a British immigration and/or customs person, it was a Continental Airlines employee.


153 posted on 08/11/2006 3:25:51 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: Pokey78

I'm thinking that the author is overreacting to a bureaucratic foul up.

Since the author is apparently a British citizen and member of parliament, it probably would've been better if he'd contacted the State Department to arrange his travel plans through to U.S., rather than just showing up.

It sucks that he had to go through the rigamarole that he had to, but giving up his U.S. citizenship seems drastic.

I suspect that he ran afoul of an attempt by some bureaucratically minded people to keep better track of people entering on visas. It doesn't make much sense when you think about it, but many government rules don't make much sense when you think about it. Kind of like trying to keep track of homeless people by requiring them to keep a post office box or some form of permanent address at which they can be reached.


154 posted on 08/11/2006 3:38:44 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: thinkthenpost
My impression and I may be mistaken is that Boris has previously entered and departed the US using a British issued passport and that this requirement is relatively new, (most likely about five years old) the fact that he can renounce his US citizenship and have apparently NO problem entering makes the rule and my understanding of it at this time fairly ridiculous.

The requirement, contained in 8 U.S.C. 1185(b), has been in effect since at least 1994, if I'm reading the legislative history correctly. Before 1994, it appears that a U.S. citizen could enter the U.S. on any valid passport.

I can't find any committee report explaining why the provision was added. The U.S. is far from the only country requiring its citizens to enter and leave the country on that country's passport, however.
155 posted on 08/11/2006 4:18:10 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: thinkthenpost
The way I read the piece is that it was not an ICE employee, or even a British immigration and/or customs person, it was a Continental Airlines employee.

It was a Continental Airlines employee who was (likely correctly) enforcing U.S. immigration law. Airlines get fined if they transport people who don't have the correct paperwork to enter another country.
156 posted on 08/11/2006 4:28:57 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Pokey78

I probably wouldn't like this guy, but I do have to wonder why the U.S. would make a British person, no matter where he was born, use a U.S. passport?


157 posted on 08/11/2006 4:34:14 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Interesting article guys. Seems he hasn’t suffered personally for giving up his US Citizenship though. I find it interesting that you feel he deserves to have all this hatred and scorn heaped upon him because he feels that he should be a full citizen of the country he has lived in for almost all his life, and that anybody who choses to or feels pride in a country other than the US must clearly be an idiot or a pinko. Still, at least he’s not a hypocrite eh?


158 posted on 05/03/2008 2:07:29 AM PDT by thundrey
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To: cripplecreek
There was a troll rant posted last week that complained about how hard it was to renounce ones citizenship. In fact I've heard similar comments from liberals lately.

I think the game is to convince us that we're held hostage behind the iron curtain of America. In reality the biggest impediment to renouncing one's citizenship is getting another country to accept you. The simple fact is that the state department isn't going to allow millions of liberals renounce their citizenship only to have them remain in this country.

I've done some reading on it so I can show whiny liberals how to go about "escaping concentration camp Amerikkka". So far there have been no takers.

Not at all. American citizenship is remarkably hard to get rid of. For example I know of an American who took on Japanese citizenship. Japan doesn't allow dual citizenship after 21. When he did the American consulate *refused to take his American passport*. They told him to put it in a drawer somewhere in case he reconsidered(which would have gotten him in trouble with the Japanese). He had to petition the state department or something really silly to finally renounce his citizenship.
159 posted on 05/03/2008 2:29:46 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: agere_contra

We hate the idea of anchor babies, but when a British citizen wants to end his anchor baby status, we throw a fit? This guy shouldn’t have to renounce anything because he shouldn’t be a citizen just because he dropped on our soil. Those born to non-citizens on our soil should have to apply for citizenship just like any other alien. I’m guessing this guy would not have applied, and I have no problem with that.


160 posted on 05/03/2008 2:39:52 AM PDT by Rastus
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