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Lake Tahoe not losing clarity, test shows
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 8/9/06 | Carl T. Hall

Posted on 08/09/2006 4:45:18 PM PDT by SierraWasp

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To: SierraWasp

My reply to the "Keep Tahoe Blue" stickers is "Keep Tahoe Blue--Don't Live There".


21 posted on 08/10/2006 5:40:00 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: Arthalion

Some of the history on the Lake Tahoe basin. Back in the 19th Century, the entire area was clear-cut, to provide timbers used for shoring up the enormous mining enterprises in Virginia City, to the east and on the other side of the Washoe Valley. These original trees were cut and sent to sawmills in Carson City, from where the timbers were hauled, first by wagons drawn by teams of horses or mules, then later by the Virginia & Truckee railroad. The trees were sent down to Carson City on flumes constructed with slabs from the sawmills, and with water pumped up from the Tahoe Basin. The logs were sent down the flumes with the flow of water behind them, and got up a great deal of speed in the nearly 3,000 feet of drop in the seven miles or so to the base of Eagle valley.

By 1880, about the time the Comstock Lode was about played out, not an original tree was standing in the basin. There was considerable second growth, but mostly, small in size, and not nearly as valuable for mining timbers. About this time, a great wave of remorse came over the "reformers" about the original exploitation of the Tahoe basin, and further development was slowed down. While some tree harvest continued, and some small amount of growth was still going on, by the time the "environmentalist" movement got under way, almost all activity concerning forest management had come to a dead halt. Trees died, and the tree beetles chewed away on them until they fell, making a huge hodgepodge of decaying matter on the forest floor. It was the washing into the lake of this decaying organic matter that was causing the turbidity of the water. Outdoor privies and poorly maintained septic disposal systerms were NOT the problem they were made out to be.

With controlled burns (removing the dead understory in the forest), the amount of decaying organic matter washing into the lake (with the spring melt of the snow cover) was greatly reduced, with the resultant effect of the water becoming more clear.

Given time, and with intelligent application of known techniques of forest management, wilderness areas can continue to produce and still be a valuable preserve.


22 posted on 08/10/2006 6:29:03 AM PDT by alloysteel (My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling, but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places.)
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To: GOP_Raider

You have no idea how wonderful I think that grapic IS!!!


23 posted on 08/10/2006 10:57:55 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The answer to anything EnvironMental in CA is merciless, militant GovernMental Regulators!!!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; Arthalion; staytrue
"Too much clarity in a lake can be a sign of a lake in decline."

"Clear water may be pretty but it is also lifeless."

I case you aren't aware of it... That's the whole "Prime Directive" of ALL EnvironMentalism!!!

It's not about cleaner air and water... It's about STERILE air and water!!! (oh and don't forget sterile dirt via the "Super Fund!)

The Born Again Pagans don't care that it will break all the governments and their involuntary supporters (tax payers) and their fragile economies to take these "issues" the last 1% to STERILITY!!!

24 posted on 08/10/2006 11:05:29 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The answer to anything EnvironMental in CA is merciless, militant GovernMental Regulators!!!)
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred

All my browser shows me is the dreaded "Red X!"


25 posted on 08/10/2006 11:07:53 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The answer to anything EnvironMental in CA is merciless, militant GovernMental Regulators!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/5579/lake_tahoe.jpg


26 posted on 08/10/2006 11:20:04 AM PDT by hattend (Stop! No more! The spirit is willing but the flesh is spongy and bruised! - Zapp Brannigan:)
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To: Arthalion; Carry_Okie; editor-surveyor; calcowgirl; heleny; NormsRevenge; ElkGroveDan; ...
"As I understand it, there's really no question that modern development has reduced the clarity of the lake."

IMO that's the problem! You, and far too many others, don't understand it!!!

The multi-millions being spent by the counties in the "Bi-State Compact" (read Federal GovernMental EnvironMental Colony governed by the Tahoe Regional Planning Association of crazed activists) for rock-lined "catch basins," etc., ad nauseum cannot be proved to be doing a thing except adding membership the the local GovernMental Employees Unions!!!

The infernal eternal demonization of development and capitalistic profits for individuals and corporations as a "knee-jerk" assumption of evil has now gone far beyond the point of "diminishing returns" for all the "group thinkers" into the land of abject absurdity!!!

The stupid sanctification of "Non-Profit" Non-GovernMental Organizations as well as GovernMental EnvironMental CONservancies like the California Tahoe Conservancy (now totally enveloped by Schwartzenegger's Sierra-Nevada CONservancy with additiona state payroll) is acheiving compound abject absurdity!!!

None of the procloptions of these sactified as the only "honest and trustworthy" GovernMental and Non-GovernMental EnvironMental organizations holds water under rational and intense scruitiny!!! Get over it! Get used to it!! Learn it on your own if you're interested in truth over pure emotionalism being hyped and parroted by the lazy MSM!!!

27 posted on 08/10/2006 11:29:17 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The answer to anything EnvironMental in CA is merciless, militant GovernMental Regulators!!!)
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To: lewislynn
"There's a lake up there?"

Yes. And it's been developed and populated by thousands of Volvoid Leftist Liberals who cannot allow individual thought and action lest the equality of outcomes be shattered by elitists building conspicuous consumption style mansions as signs of capitalist potential for all to see...

WAIT!!! That's already been done by hypocrits in existance!!! What's up with that??? Could it be that some Volvoid Lestist Liberals are more "equal" than others? What a horrific thought!!! (kinda sourchasitc, too)

28 posted on 08/10/2006 11:36:38 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The answer to anything EnvironMental in CA is merciless, militant GovernMental Regulators!!!)
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To: alloysteel; Baynative
What a beautiful posted reply! Sometimes people from western California jump to the conclusion that plain old regular folks should not be allowed to exist in the Sierra-Nevada mountain range whatsoever! It kinda wrecks the "viewshed" of the "watershed" which they perceive as their taxpayer supported "playground."

They feel that as California's aristocracy from the western metrosexual areas, they are entitled to rule over Californa's ruralsexual environment in ways that the illegitimate squatters in the Sierra, including and especially the Tahoe Basin, should simply always acquiess to under any circumstances.

Afterall, since the infamous "Cows Don't Vote" decision by the Earl Warren Supreme Court, these riff-raff rural squatters are easily out-voted and need to be ruthlessly "rooted out!" All they ever do is ruin the esthetics of such sacred EnvironMental Sanctuaries to the detriment of the esthetically in tune western Californians, don'tcha know?

29 posted on 08/10/2006 11:50:35 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The answer to anything EnvironMental in CA is merciless, militant GovernMental Regulators!!!)
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To: Arthalion
Last century, the Tahoe basin was allowed to burn. A young forest developed in the wake. Young forests consume nitrates. The lack of nutrient turned the lake blue.

Because of fire suppression, that forest is now overstocked and decadent, now releasing far more nitrate into the lake than do anthropogenic sources. Unless that forest is thinned, the cycle will repeat. In many places it's too late: beetle kill and water competition has produced rotting vegetation that releases into watersheds as detritus loaded with nitrates.

30 posted on 08/10/2006 12:00:29 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: SierraWasp

Why is it that everything that they set out to preserve for future generations ends up being put off-limits to present generations?


31 posted on 08/10/2006 12:10:45 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Carry_Okie
"...that releases into watersheds as detritus loaded with nitrates."

Well, let me ask you. What about all the rivers of pine pollen that is loaded with proteins washing into all the storm drains and stream beds and then into the lake?

33 posted on 08/10/2006 1:52:52 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The answer to anything EnvironMental in CA is merciless, militant GovernMental Regulators!!!)
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To: hattend

I got a "404 FORBIDDEN" message from you link! Was that some kind of cryptic/symbolic/EnvironMental/GovernMental message intended to keep me in line??? Wha???


34 posted on 08/10/2006 1:55:17 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The answer to anything EnvironMental in CA is merciless, militant GovernMental Regulators!!!)
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To: Old Professer; Carry_Okie
Well you're absolutely right in you rhetorical question. The deal is, if they weaken the legitimate use of natural resources for economic uses enough, there won't be much worth saving "for the children" in this, or anyother country!

I ask you a rhetorical question in return... Which is kept cleaner as a general rule, a public restroom such as on a freeway rest-stop, or a private restroom such as in a classy hotel? GovernMental EnvironMental "management" brings on what Carry Okie refers to as "the tragedy of the commons!" (Natural Process 2001)

We don't need EnvironMental "management" as much as we need Environmental "leadership" through responsible private ownership and control of the land and it's uses by individuals with a strong sense of stewardship!!!

All this other bunk is getting us nowhere... Today's self-appointed, self-annointed EnvironMentalist is a real "nowhere man, working on his nowhere plan, for nobody!" (Like Ted Kasinsky and Algore)

36 posted on 08/10/2006 2:08:17 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The answer to anything EnvironMental in CA is merciless, militant GovernMental Regulators!!!)
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To: Baynative

Hey! There's no Lake Tahoe in Washington State!!! I assumed incorrectly that you were a San Francisco "Baynative!!!"


37 posted on 08/10/2006 2:13:47 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The answer to anything EnvironMental in CA is merciless, militant GovernMental Regulators!!!)
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath
Lake Tahoe, and the Truckee River. Brings back the good old days, before marriage, kids, and responsibility.

For me, too. I lived there from 1989 to 1992. I was 21 years old and as foolish as can be. Man, that was a fun time! I'd like to go back to visit sometime with my wife and kids.

38 posted on 08/10/2006 2:14:26 PM PDT by shempy (EABOF)
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To: SierraWasp

Hmmm...it's just a link to the picture you got the red-x on.

I see a very nice picture of Lake Tahoe.

Must be a block in your firewall..oh well.


39 posted on 08/10/2006 2:17:22 PM PDT by hattend (Stop! No more! The spirit is willing but the flesh is spongy and bruised! - Zapp Brannigan:)
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