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8/4 Middle East Live Thread
Middle East Live Thread ^ | 8/4/06 | BurbankKarl

Posted on 08/03/2006 9:14:01 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

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To: Tree of Liberty

Hadera strike: 3 civilians killed

just a point of clarification -

there are no known fatalities with the hadera missiles

the 3 fatalities are from earlier in the day


761 posted on 08/04/2006 12:55:27 PM PDT by jhp
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Hezbollah is seeking ground-air missiles from Iran to take out Israeli jets. Iran admits giving Hezzies Zel-Zal 2 missile.


22:37 Hezbollah: We fired `Khaibar 1` missiles at Hadera, same type fired at Afula (Ch. 10)
22:22 Two people treated for shock following missile strike in Hadera region (Haaretz)
22:18 Arab League foreign ministers to hold emergency meeting in Beirut on Monday (AP)
22:09 U.S. says `very close` to deal on final UN draft for Lebanon ceasefire proposal (AP)
21:34 Three missiles land in an open field in Hadera; no injuries reported (Ch. 10)
21:27 Missiles reported to have landed in Hadera (Channel 10)
21:27 Venezuela`s Chavez compares Israel`s operations in Lebanon to Nazi regime (Reuters)
21:19 Hezbollah rockets slam into Jezreel Valley region (Haaretz)
21:18 Sirens sound in Haifa and Hadera (Channel 10)
20:46 Balad MK Bishara: Slain Jewish, Arab civilians are victims of the same policy (Haaretz)
20:43 MK Barakeh: Everyone with a conscience must scream for insanity to stop (Haaretz)
20:42 Hadash MK Dov Hanin calls for widening protest campaign against the gov`t (Haaretz)
20:22 Palestinian gunmen fire at IDF troops near security fence in Gaza; no casualties (Itim)
19:59 Sources: 57 people buried under rubble of homes in 2 villages struck by IAF (Haaretz)
19:45 1 person moderately hurt, 2 lightly hurt in Migdal Ha`emek rocket attack (Haaretz)
19:28 Iranian official admits Tehran has supplied Zelzal missiles to Hezbollah (Haaretz)


762 posted on 08/04/2006 12:55:39 PM PDT by conservativepoet
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To: InterceptPoint

Iran is shipping Hezbollah state of the art Russian air defenses....hence the sanctions by Bush.


763 posted on 08/04/2006 12:56:15 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Fox reporter: just now, discussing parallel of Litani River and Elbe River


764 posted on 08/04/2006 12:56:58 PM PDT by bwteim
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To: jhp

You're right. Sorry about that. PJ didn't make the headline clear.


765 posted on 08/04/2006 12:57:06 PM PDT by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: Tree of Liberty

That should be Pajamas Media, not PJ.


766 posted on 08/04/2006 12:57:30 PM PDT by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
... or ...

Smile, be polite, offer pork-rinds (call them snacks or something). Asymmetrical warfare works for us too.

767 posted on 08/04/2006 12:59:04 PM PDT by SlayerOfBunnies
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To: InterceptPoint
In simple terms they can understand, "If you light it, you will lose it"
768 posted on 08/04/2006 1:02:23 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (john F'n Skerry = Confirmed Spork Weasel)
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To: conservativepoet

"I expect a serious retaliation."

IDF is probably printing up the leaflets telling everyone to evacuate Lebanon...all of the infrastructure goes next.


769 posted on 08/04/2006 1:02:42 PM PDT by RouxStir (Refreshingly Offensive, with Hints of Cohiba and Auchentoshen.)
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Bookmark


770 posted on 08/04/2006 1:03:13 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: kabar
that was 1991 - fifteen years ago

welcome to 2006...

772 posted on 08/04/2006 1:05:54 PM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: All

23:03 U.S. sanctions seven foreign companies for conducting business with Iran (AP)


773 posted on 08/04/2006 1:06:30 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: RouxStir
Does create an interesting dilemma for Israel. If TA is hit, what good does it do to hit back at Lebanon? Seems as though they would want to eliminate the supplier of the missiles. But then there is Olmert. I feel he is terribly concerned about this whole thing going regional and getting completely out of control. I have no doubt who would survive, but no one would be a 'winner'. Both sides would pay a serious debt.
774 posted on 08/04/2006 1:10:49 PM PDT by casino66 (A beater of dead horses.)
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To: casino66

Iran Is Racing To Resupply Hezbollah
BY ELI LAKE - Staff Reporter of the Sun
August 4, 2006
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/37347

TEL AVIV, Israel — Iran is racing to resupply Hezbollah across the Syrian border ahead of a possible cease-fire being ironed out this week at the United Nations. Meanwhile, Israeli jets have begun a new bombardment of Beirut's suburbs and Hezbollah is threatening to launch a missile attack on Tel Aviv.

Israeli military and intelligence officials here say Iranian technicians were aboard a flight to Damascus on Monday with the Iranian foreign minister, Manouchehr Mottaki.

The Israel Defense Forces also says it has not been able to seal the border between Syria and Lebanon, making it possible to ferry men, small rockets, and other materiel to Hezbollah through the back roads and smuggling routes in the Bekaa Valley.

The Iranians this week began a double game in Lebanon best summed up by President Ahmadinejad's message to Muslim nations yesterday in Malaysia: "Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented."

This approach — of seeking both Israel's destruction and a temporary ceasefire — is evident in signals from Iran's Foreign Ministry to European countries. Mr. Mottaki met with his French counterpart Monday at the Iranian Embassy in Beirut. The French are supporting an immediate cease-fire and have pledged to contribute troops to an international force for southern Lebanon.

The meeting was significant because the French in the past year have been supportive of efforts to censure, if not sanction, Iran for its nuclear program at the United Nations, and have pressured Syria to remove its forces from Lebanon in 2005 as part of resolution 1559.

As Hezbollah was the only major political party in Lebanon to oppose the withdrawal of Syrian forces from Lebanon, the French meeting with Iran — preceded by French praise for the "constructive" role Iran is playing in the region — signals that Paris is willing to keep Hezbollah armed for now.

An Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman, Mark Regev, said yesterday, "The French played an important role in implementing the first part of resolution 1559 to get the Syrians to leave. We believe they can play an important role in implementing the second part of the resolution: to disarm Hezbollah."

As for the possible rapprochement between Iran and France on Lebanon, Mr. Regev said, "We are hopeful that France, with the rest of the international community, are making it clear to countries that act against 1559 that they are acting outside the international consensus that such behavior will not be tolerated."

But the diplomatic game for Iran is only part of their role in the war, Israeli officials say. One intelligence analyst pointed to statements this week from an Iranian member of parliament and former ambassador to Syria, Mohtashemi Pur.

Mr. Pur, who was one of the founders of Hezbollah in the early 1980s, told the Iranian reformist newspaper Sharq that Hezbollah had the Zelzal-2 missile, with a range of 160 miles and the "courage to use them." This analyst interpreted this as "a green light from Iran to use the Zelzals at their own discretion and without permission."

If such a decision was made, then it would partly explain Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah's threat to Israel yesterday on Al-Manar television. He said, "If you bomb our capital Beirut, we will bomb the capital of your usurping entity," he said. "We will bomb Tel Aviv."

In the same speech, he said Hezbollah's rockets would stop raining on northern Israel if Israel stopped bombing Lebanon. The threat, however, does not seem to have deterred Israel's air force.

Yesterday evening, Israeli jets dropped leaflets on a southern Shiite suburb of Beirut that called on residents to leave their homes. In the early hours of Friday morning, wire services reported that two bombs hit southern Beirut.

A retired colonel in Israel's military intelligence, Reuven Erlich, said yesterday that there were gaps between the Syrian-Lebanese border that could be exploited by Iran. "Of course there are gaps. The Syrian-Lebanese border is a long border. It is very difficult to close such a border hermetically if the Syrian regime does not cooperate, and this is not the case. I guess the IDF are doing their best to decrease the amount of supply, but I don't think it can be stopped."

Mr. Erlich, head of the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center at the Tel Aviv-based Center for Special Studies, said he believes that President Ahmadinejad is supporting a cease-fire now because it is in Hezbollah's best interest.

A former Pentagon analyst on Iran and current scholar at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, Michael Rubin, said, "Iran is fighting a proxy war, but smugly feels itself immune to consequence. Not only is this unfair to the Lebanese, but it is dangerous for Washington. The more overconfident Iran becomes in its ability to get away with murder, the more likely Americans will be targeted down the line."


775 posted on 08/04/2006 1:11:54 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Fitzcarraldo

Ynet Updates

Home Front Command issues new instructions for residents south of Haifa
(22:39 , 08.04.06)

- I guess they are expecting more incoming and not a cease fire

Police continue to search for rocket landing sites in Zichron Yaacov area
(22:42 , 08.04.06)

- Any one know where Zichron Yaacov is in relation to TelAviv and Hadera

Home Front Command official: New procedures apply also to Tel Aviv residents
(23:05 , 08.04.06)

- Looks like they are expecting the Zelzal in TelAviv if they are issuing these orders.

Anyone know what the state range is on the fargi-5, it traveled some 90km from the border?



776 posted on 08/04/2006 1:13:43 PM PDT by jhp
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To: casino66

Is that TA on Pipe 3? They seem very concerned. :-)


777 posted on 08/04/2006 1:14:05 PM PDT by casino66 (A beater of dead horses.)
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bttt


778 posted on 08/04/2006 1:14:26 PM PDT by Godzilla (OK, who stopped payment on my reality check?)
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To: BurbankKarl
Have the sanctions been confirmed? Haven't stumbled across anything in the news yet.

Sad thing is this is going to really drive Russia nuts.
779 posted on 08/04/2006 1:14:33 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: BurbankKarl

"Iran is fighting a proxy war, but smugly feels itself immune to consequence. Not only is this unfair to the Lebanese, but it is dangerous for Washington. The more overconfident Iran becomes in its ability to get away with murder, the more likely Americans will be targeted down the line."

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Freepers know this.


780 posted on 08/04/2006 1:15:10 PM PDT by conservativepoet
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