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1 posted on 08/01/2006 1:48:44 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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Could be most hezballah "stunts" are pre-planned..

Isreal is busy looking for missle sites.. and staging areas.. for disassembly..

This big sign(bannar) casts doubt on the hizzies motives..
Big or little all hizzies motives are the same..

Appear to be an army when you are just a "gang"..
An army has cache' a gang shows extreme tribal weakness..

The Pali's appear to be very democratic.. i.e. Mob Rule..
Raised from children to be mobsters..

162 posted on 08/01/2006 8:08:44 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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Ah, you guys are all wet.

"Ink-Jet printers..." Heck, have you forgotten what part of the world you're talking about?

That's just a big, woven Persian carpet. As to the speed of its production, that's simple;

They used Warp speed. And Weft speed.


166 posted on 08/01/2006 8:15:27 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Everybody always looks here for some really incredible insight, and they always find this stuff.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I wasn't a supporter of Rice for President or Vice President. But if terrorists fear her this much, I may need to reconsider.

This Qana scenario sounds suspiciously like that jet liner that veered toward an American battleship during the first phase of the Gulf War (91 or 92). Remember? I'm not positive about the details of when, but we shot it out of the sky and in the sea around the wreckage were lots of bloated, pale, unmarked bodies, floating (which means they'd been dead for some time). The idea then was that Iraq loaded the plane with older corpses in order to have it shot down for propaganda purposes.
170 posted on 08/01/2006 8:20:06 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
A banner of this size and quality could be easily produced in the time allotted. The hard part would be getting the banner to Lebanon in time from the New York Times printing facility!
172 posted on 08/01/2006 8:21:41 AM PDT by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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Has anyone seen photos of the surviving man?

Freeper Fred Nerks has photos of the Canadian family killed in Tyre, and he has noted that there is a strong resemblance between the children in the photos (also 2 boys & 2 girls).

http://yalibnan.com/site/archives/2006/7/img/war-%20%20El-Akhras%20family.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20060730/i/r1736758057.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20060730/i/r1643380229.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060730/capt.dfe2f012c2c84f60bea0ef27d75c2387.lebanon_israel_mideast_fighting_axlp104.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20060730/i/r2322988859.jpg


174 posted on 08/01/2006 8:23:45 AM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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What does the text read? They probably have a bunch of these posters lying around in a warehouse somewhere. It probably doesn't even mention Qana by name. If anyone reads Arabic, let me know if I'm mistaken.


182 posted on 08/01/2006 8:35:19 AM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (Being That Guy so you don't have to.)
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The banner appears about 18x30 feet or so (500+ square feet).

The $350k printer noted above can do 2100 square feet per hour.

That is a 15 minute print job. And in a war zone, a well-funded insurgency can have one of these in a basement with no trouble.


183 posted on 08/01/2006 8:36:55 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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Ping me if an MSM outlet mentions it. Until then, even if true, don't hold your breath. IMO


184 posted on 08/01/2006 8:37:57 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (My Pug is On Her War Footing (and moving to Texas!))
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"Was Qana Staged?"

Well, I'm thinking since the terrorists use women and children as human shields, it would make perfect sense. Their perverted thoughts would be, "Make our wives and children stay, so when the Israeli's bomb the place, the world will be on our side. All sympathy will be with us, even though the Hezbollah terrorists are the real killers in this scenario"...


193 posted on 08/01/2006 9:06:36 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Let me save you the trouble...

Terrorist Propaganda Video
http://www.msunderestimated.com/2006/07/30/the-dissection-of-terrorist-propaganda-made-for-tv-videos/

Kinda different
Things are not quite as they appear to be
http://varifrank.com/archives/2006/07/things_are_not_1.php

Tactics, Strategy, Grand Strategy
*
http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2006/07/tactics-strategy-grand-strategy.html

Euphoric Reality
* Covers almost all the bases
http://euphoricreality.com/2006/07/31/the-parade-of-dead-children/

Hiz held children (Great links)
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/07/hezbollah_held_child.html

Look at this: Comparing Images
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2006/07/look_at_this.html

Green Hat
(view pallywood)
http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/07/31/qana-corpse-spokesmodel-same-as-in-1996-photos/

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/who-is-this-man.html

Linkfest
http://daniel360.com/archives/186

Escalation in the Hez media war
http://varifrank.com/archives/2006/07/escalation_in_t_1.php

Were Qana Bodies Coverup/Staged
http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/188515.php
http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/188571.php
*
Commenter states bodies are covered with dust
http://www.wa3ad.org/video/other/majzarat_qana2006.wmv

Even though the times said the building was hit from above and residents said the walls and ceiling came down around them immediately after the first bomb. (Right), however this with the story:
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2006/07/30/world/20060730_QANA_SLIDESHOW_7.html

Israel Insider
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Diplomacy/8997.htm
*** Must see.
Green Hat Appearances
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/who-is-this-man.html
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/08/green-helmet-mystery-continues.html
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/

Same child from above rescued over and over
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/milking-it.html

Fausta's Blog let's us know which papers showed which pictures
http://faustasblog.com/2006/07/rockets-in-garden-and-france2.html

UK Guardian Archive
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/archives/2006/07/31/sean_smiths_photographs_death_in_qana.html

Lebanese Blogger tells what's going on
http://rampurple.com/blog/2006/07/28/free-ain-ebel-from-hezbollah-invasion/

From American Thinker
Using innocents as tools of war
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5715

The Ho Chi Minh Trail to Beirut
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5708&search=ho

Rut Roh

Qana building destroyed by Hizbollah IED
Rumors circulating over what destroyed a residential building in Qana are increasingly pointing to Hizbollah rather than Israel’s precision missile strikes.

According to well placed sources, with access to IAF recon photos, the residential building in Qana was destroyed by a Hizbollah IED at 0700 Sunday July 30, 6 hours after the Israeli strike.

Further reports indicate that Hizbollah guerilla fighters restricted residents from leaving the area possibly shooting anyone that attempted to leave the Qana residential building.

http://intelligence-summit.blogspot.com/2006/07/qana-building-destroyed-by-hizbollah.html

Keep in mind:
In the second IAF strike on Qana, which took place at around 2:30 A.M. Sunday, IAF planes bombed two targets located about 500 meters from the building that collapsed, and in the third strike, at around 7:30 A.M., three targets were bombed 460 meters away from the building, Eshel said. He told reporters that an analysis of photographs of the strikes, taken by cameras installed in the warplanes, showed that the four bombs dropped during the second and third strikes hit the intended targets, and that an IAF plane sent on a photo sortie in the afternoon confirmed that the intended targets had been hit.

The IDF has not released the aerial photographs, which Eshel said were being processed.
____

In a letter to the editor of the Berlin left-wing daily Die Tageszeitung (TAZ) a Lebanese Shia explains how after Israel’s withdrawal from South Lebanon, Hezbollah stored rockets in bunkers in his town and built a school and residence over it.

I lived until 2002 in a small southern village near Mardshajund that is inhabited by a majority of Shias like me. After Israel left Lebanon, it did not take long for Hezbollah to take have its say in other towns. Received as successful resistance fighters and armed to the teeth, they stored rockets in bunkers in our town as well. The social work of the Party of God consisted in building a school and a residence over these bunkers! A local sheikh explained to me laughing that the Jews would lose in any event because the rockets would either be fired at them or if they attacked the rockets depots, they would be condemned by world opinion on account of the dead civilians. These people do not care about the Lebanese population, they use them as shields, and, once dead, as propaganda. As long as they continue existing there, there will be no tranquility and peace.

Dr. Mounir Herzallah
Berlin-Wedding
http://judeoscope.ca/article.php3?id_article=0429

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/was-the-qana-massacre-staged-by-hezbollah
The Banner:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21865#c0106

A Commenter in the Banner Making Business:

Just a flippin’ minute!!

This banner refers to a massacre at Qana? I had missed that point until now. Apparently, July 30th was marked as a ‘day of rage’ whether there was an incident or not. Unruly mobs ransacked a couple UN offices, there were spontaneous demonstrations in Damascus and now this.

I have seen people raising questions about how long it would take to produce such a banner. Someone with experience in the business outlined how it would take a days work to produce such a banner. I’ll search for the post.

Edit: Smoking Gun

This morning, I posted some speculation that the 30-foot banner of Secretary of State Rice that miraculously showed up in Qana yesterday was probably prepared in advance, leading to questions whether the entire event was staged. Tonight, reader Postermaker made the following comments about that blog post:

Since I do banners like this for a living, I can tell you it take more than a few hours depending on the equipment. A banner that large can be done one of two ways. With a grant format printer. It would probably take about 3-4 hours to print, then hours more to sew and grommet so it could hung. It would have to be Made of heavy duty material or one that was reinforced or the sheer weight would rip it apart.

The other way it to use a smaller series of machines all color calibrated and produce sections. At that point they would have to be stretch the length of the banner ( read large facility) and sewn together. Additional support would go on the tops and bottoms.

In short if it was related Qana and went up within two hours- four hours, it was done prior to the bomb hitting. No other way. Just putting an image together that large on a computer with Type would take a few hours.

Then color tests, proofs and finally printing. That would be an all day affair for most print houses even with a grand format printer. The cost would be in the thousands.

Then you would have to transport it.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21865#c0106

The 1996 Atrocities
http://www.salaheddine.net/qana/gallery/qana?page=1

EconoPundit does a great job
http://econopundit.com/archive/2006_07_01_econopundit_archive.html#115435217531074983

Links from the 31st

Per IsraellyCool Reader Cy:

Has anyone noticed how Hizbollah & Lebanon so conveniently claim the death of Israeli children as being necessary “martyrdom” for the Muslim cause (a reference to the 2 Israeli Arab children killed by a Katusha in Nazareth last week - ed) but when their own children are killed by the bombings it’s a different story, they express outrage.

Hiz firing from Apartment complex
http://www.mfa.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/B883D7F6-FF7B-4E46-A639-643ED03F477E/0/FiringBehindBuilding.wmv


Good Israel news website.
http://www.danegerus.com/weblog/Comments.asp?svComment=15123

Israelly Cool is all over it
http://www.israellycool.com/

All kinds of art and knowledge (Glorious, Glorious)
http://www.danegerus.com/weblog/Right.asp

Poles Rally at Warsaw Synagogue in Support of Israel
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/

Also at Gateway link above:
Islamic Extremists Gain Control of Mogadishu & Associated Press (A must read)

Flopping Aces (big up) with video
http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/07/29/pictures-showing-the-cowardly-hezbollah/
(with the killer roundup at bottom, trust me... there's knowledge in those links)

Regime Change Iran (smoking hot)
http://regimechangeiran.blogspot.com/2006/07/tehran-likely-to-gain-if-lebanon.html

Marathon Pundit (League of Villains, visits)
http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2006_07_01_marathonpundit_archive.html#115422034350072989

Tigerhawk (antiwar protests and how long on Condi banner)
http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2006/07/orchestration-of-demonstrations-survey.html

Blue Crab Boulevard
(list of possible war crimes from this incident)
http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/30/caught-red-handed/

Hot Air (linkfest bottom)
http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/07/30/qana-bombing-building-collapsed-eight-hours-after-attack/

Powerline (building collapsed a short time before Arab journalists on the scene? Hours later?)
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014844.php

The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler
A note for Appeasement Swine on our Own Shores
http://www.nicedoggie.net/2006/?p=1135
And today's
http://www.nicedoggie.net/2006/

The American Thinker
Jihad Watch
EU Referendum (Milking It, graphic, must read)
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/milking-it.html

Second Miracle at Cana
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/

NYT story with Christians telling what's really going on.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/28/world/middleeast/28refugees.htm?_r=1&oref=slogin

Vital Perspective also notes Article 28 of the 4th Geneva Convention:

The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.
So the civilian casualties are, under the Geneva Convention, Hezbollah's responsibility.
http://vitalperspective.typepad.com/vital_perspective_clarity/2006/07/responding_to_t.html

A reminder... for fans of moral equivalence
http://redneckperil.blogspot.com/2006/07/every-american-should-watch-this.html

Israel Vlog from Jerusalem Post
http://www.jerusalemonline.co.il/home.asp

Lebanese Poll reminder
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/07/29/lebanese-poll-an-eye-opener/

The videos

Kfar Qana
Look at the guy laying on the stretcher talking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1yvEpsxMQI&mode=related&search=Qana#

Does the guy outside speaking look familiar?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnh3WVZWOYc&mode=related&search=Qana#

In this the little girl with the arm stiff the couple in the desert... too phony. And the guy with the beard from the stretcher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn2nsy3bjTs&mode=related&search=Qana#

Can't be the same building, and where was the guy walking with the little girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECdGZWGewNg&mode=related&search=Qana#

(Forgive the length and duplicate posting) Now let's find out what really happened to those kids... After you go through these links... you'll have no doubt.


199 posted on 08/01/2006 9:59:11 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Talk to those who kill their own children, by Jihad/PR ? Remember Beslan.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

10' x 30' Banner = 300 sqft.

HP Scitex prints up to 65 sqm (701 sqft) per hour, up to 10.5' wide.

Calculated time to print 300sqft. = 26 minutes.

Scitex was a Tel Aviv company before being acquired by HP, so these should be relatively available in that part of the world.

If Hezbollywood has artists on staff at local printing companies, then the quick production of this banner, regardless of the "faking" of Qana is entirely possible.

202 posted on 08/01/2006 10:04:37 AM PDT by Nice50BMG (3 books to read this year: The Bible (God), Bringing Up Boys (Dobson), Winning the Future (Newt))
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I don't buy it, and I don't think we should focus on it. I know it is entirely plausible that Lezbolla would do such a thing, and I think it is a FACT that they are milking this for all its worth, including parading around the same body for different pictures, over and over again, what with the guy changing clothes and all, and the pacifier being added to the baby.

The rest of it, however, can be explained too easily, with non-conspiracy type stuff. If we focus on this, and it doesn't pan out, it will take away from our side of the argument. Which is, that Lezbollah shouldn't be firing rockets from residential areas in the first place. THAT is the war crime.

204 posted on 08/01/2006 10:09:37 AM PDT by Paradox (Part time gym rat.)
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Go new media! AGAIN, getting the facts out the Junk Media censors.


205 posted on 08/01/2006 10:31:15 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Perhaps the banner was printed for some other propaganda, without the script, which was painted on by hand after the event presented itself?

They use a lot of these kind of propaganda banners, they print them by the dozens(hundreds?) for marches, photo ops etc.

I can believe they had pre-printed several different types of banners/images and then chose the Rice banner for the occasion and wrote the words underneath.

The picture of Rice is not particulalry linked to the Qaran deaths. The blood/death images are generic.


207 posted on 08/01/2006 10:39:15 AM PDT by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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QUOTE: The Red Cross published that 28 corpses were evacuated from Qana, 19 of which were children. The report clashes with the Lebanese report that 57 people were killed......

[url]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284627,00.html[/url]
213 posted on 08/01/2006 11:36:28 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
The latest...

News Agencies Stand by Lebanon Photos

AP, AFP, and Rooters are the agencies in question. Figgers, doesn't it?

216 posted on 08/01/2006 2:01:25 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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ping


218 posted on 08/01/2006 3:09:56 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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I run one of the largest digital printing comapnies in SoCal, and that print would take 3 hours just to print. Even at 4 color, the print is huge. That print was all ready to roll before this happened. Funny thing is they probably used an Israeli Nur printer to make it, lol.


219 posted on 08/01/2006 3:37:45 PM PDT by giobruno
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220 posted on 08/01/2006 4:21:27 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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Ping.


222 posted on 08/01/2006 5:05:55 PM PDT by GreyFriar ( (3rd Armored Division - Spearhead))
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