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Republican answer for alternative energy and cheap gasoline
Brookes News ^ | May 8, 2006 | Jack Wheeler

Posted on 07/30/2006 10:04:42 PM PDT by GeronL

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To: ovrtaxt

That's why I love that car. Not only is it easy, it's fun to work on!


81 posted on 08/02/2006 10:09:53 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99

The tank is far more expensive, I would imagine.


82 posted on 08/02/2006 10:33:51 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I have an old physics book that contains a table on the percentages of other constituent gases in natural gas by location; a field near Titusville, Pa. where oil was first exploited commercially is over 85% propane and the appliances have to have proportionately sized orifices for proper operation in the servicing area.


83 posted on 08/02/2006 10:39:19 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

No, they have different meters and boost pumps for filling.


84 posted on 08/02/2006 10:40:15 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Richard-SIA

Propane vs gasoline is around 90-95% BTU rating.


85 posted on 08/02/2006 10:41:31 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: GeronL

NG is even less.


86 posted on 08/02/2006 10:42:00 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: mugs99

The only way it can be uphill in every direction is if you never go home again.


87 posted on 08/02/2006 10:46:56 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
The tank is far more expensive, I would imagine.

Could be. I don't know if a propane tank could be used for LNG. Propane tanks for automotive use are more expensive than the tanks you use for home storage. The tank was the most expensive part of my propane conversion.
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88 posted on 08/02/2006 10:49:52 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: 308MBR

Boy, you just took the shine off his valve stem. :)


89 posted on 08/02/2006 10:51:35 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
The only way it can be uphill in every direction is if you never go home again

True for a person but not a car. Your engine only sees all of those uphills.
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90 posted on 08/02/2006 10:56:32 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Richard-SIA
There was a Fish carburetor and there are no molecules of carbon in alcohols or gasoline that I know of; methane, the lowest member of the paraffin group has one atom of carbon and four atoms of hydrogen for CH4, this conforms to the formula, CnH2n+2.
91 posted on 08/02/2006 11:05:05 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

My friend, the water of which your antagonist speaks condenses in the upper regions of the engine, namely the valve cover area and is allowed to drain immediately back to the crankcase through the oil return holes in the cylinder heads else all the oil would collect there in the first minute of operation and the engine would melt from welded bearing surfaces.

You may have a PHD or even higher but it is safe to say you have never been a mechanic.


92 posted on 08/02/2006 11:12:27 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

The natural algae can cause havoc on fuel tank filters when water is allowed to condense under the fuel in storage and it grows at the boundary line and then gets pumped into the fuel lines.


93 posted on 08/02/2006 11:16:33 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
"My friend, the water of which your antagonist speaks condenses in the upper regions of the engine, namely the valve cover area and is allowed to drain immediately back to the crankcase through the oil return holes in the cylinder heads else all the oil would collect there in the first minute of operation and the engine would melt from welded bearing surfaces."

Bullshit. There is NO PATH from the combustion chamber into "the valve cover area". You ever heard of VALVE SEALS???

The oil drainage paths from the upper valve area are totally separate from the combustion chamber and exhaust manifold.

"You may have a PHD or even higher but it is safe to say you have never been a mechanic."

LOL--I was brought up on a farm, and have repaired every kind of engine, from two-cycle chainsaws, lawn mowers, tractors, bulldozers, and (when I was younger) my own automobiles--many of these full-bore engine rebuilds.

There's definitely someone lacking in mechanical knowledge here, but it's not me.

94 posted on 08/02/2006 5:18:09 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Old Professer
"The natural algae can cause havoc on fuel tank filters when water is allowed to condense under the fuel in storage and it grows at the boundary line and then gets pumped into the fuel lines."

You need to read closer, "old boy". The algae under discussion are bio-engineered organisms to be used to GROW biodiesel when fed nutrients in an industrial process--they have nothing to do with "algae growing in the fuel tank".

95 posted on 08/02/2006 5:18:37 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Old Professer

FISH, POGUE, whatever, still no vast conspiracy, and Digital F.I. still works better than any possible carburetor.

No Carbon?
If that's correct perhaps you can tell us what IS being burned?
I do not have the original article at hand, but there certainly is a catalyst available to concentrate Alcohol into Gasoline.
I think the "energy farm*" at Stanford may have a demonstration unit.

*The "energy farm" at Stanford appears to be where innovation is sent to die.
It's a virtual museum of new technology that ceased to be pursued on arrival.


96 posted on 08/03/2006 9:42:38 AM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: Wonder Warthog

"Bullshit. There is NO PATH from the combustion chamber into "the valve cover area". You ever heard of VALVE SEALS???"

Hold the fertilizer and stay with me here for a bit; the intake manifold distributes the air/fuel charge to the cylinders via runners which extend into the area beneath the valve covers which are ventilated by the PCV valve on normally aspirated engines and often by a "gulp valve" on blown engines which runs from the valve cover to the exhaust purging the crankcase due to the negative pressure pulses present.

The runners are ports to the intake valves and operate much cooler than the exhaust runners or the combustion chamber and can easily cause sweating of the ambient air being drawn into this area betweeen the head and the cover; when the engine is shut down this area heats up by soaking and then can cool down again to ambient temperature which allows condensation that could fall through the oil drainback holes that must be there to allow the oil that feeds the upper valve train to return to the crankcase.

No argument is being made that water is condensing in the combustion chamber although gobs of water is being produced in the exhaust by combustion and it is not this water that contaminates the oil.

On methanol engines it is critical that the engine oil operate above 225F but below the smoke point in order to prevent excess wear to the iron components and absent an oil heater a good deal of moisture could likely form in the engine oil.


97 posted on 08/03/2006 9:49:36 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Richard-SIA

"Alcohol has a certain percentage of carbon molecules per volume.
Gasoline has a higher concentration of carbon molecules for the same volume."

Atoms vs molecules.

I didn't say there was no carbon.


98 posted on 08/03/2006 9:53:50 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Sorry about that. I'm no ignoramus about this stuff either.

That being said, most of my experience involves small blocks running on dirt ovals and longer ago in go karts in the days of my early misspent youth. It's really really hard to even get a decent water temperature sometimes in this application, and it can REALLY be a problem when it's a 50 degree night with 95% humidity.

Electronic fuel injection is the only hope for widespread application of methanol in daily transportation. The trouble is with the injectors themselves, as about the only materials (excluding noble metals) having a decent lifespan in constant contact with methanol are the 300 series stainless steels and Teflon. "True" stainless steels are not magnetic, and this presents a real problem for activating the injector pintle via electromagnetic force.

Separating the fuel from the throttle body is essential to stop throttle icing/sticking problems.

Again, sorry for insulting your education and experience. I don't care for it much when it's aimed at me either.


99 posted on 08/03/2006 5:05:31 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: Richard-SIA

Whatever. When you catalyze a substance, it is no longer the same substance.

What is the data for the specific energy content difference of the catalyzed product?

Where do we get these extra carbon atoms being stuck in the molecular structure? Catalysts enhance a chemical reaction, so what else is being thrown into the mix?

If this really works and can get methanol up over about 11,000 BTU/lb from it's current 8,000 or so, I'm going to be cheating at the racetrack....again.


100 posted on 08/03/2006 5:13:16 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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