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7/30 Middle East Live Thread
7/29 Middle East Live Thread ^ | 7/30/06 | BurbankKarl

Posted on 07/29/2006 10:30:17 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

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To: VirginiaMom

For some reason, my computer isn't getting the video...just a multi-colored X.

I appreciate you sending it....maybe they will re-show it on Fox this afternoon...when news slows down a bit.


881 posted on 07/30/2006 10:29:44 AM PDT by Txsleuth ((((((((ISRAEL)))))))))
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To: VirginiaMom

Well, well well. Looky here.

What a surprise.


883 posted on 07/30/2006 10:32:26 AM PDT by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamic Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)
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To: Royal Wulff
Ok, been checking on the coords. Took the first ones from the travel site posted earlier. I felt those were wrong so went hunting. Then went, like, duh! And slapped my forehead and headed over to Google message board. Check out this and click on the overlay link (for those who have Google Earth) -

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/535668/an/0/page/0#535668

884 posted on 07/30/2006 10:32:28 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Royal Wulff
Is this the building?

33 13' 14" N 35 14' 20" E

Enter that string in Google Earth search box.

This is what you get. Is this it?


885 posted on 07/30/2006 10:32:31 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: VirginiaMom

OMG.....THAT would be the "smoking gun" that Israel needs to show the world....if they could prove it.

Maybe what Palkot saw...would have lent itself to prove the scenario from your article.

If it did...couldn't Palkot have talked privately to FOX?


886 posted on 07/30/2006 10:32:37 AM PDT by Txsleuth ((((((((ISRAEL)))))))))
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To: VirginiaMom

This is interesting! Someone posting on the live thread in the wee hours this morning heard a report that the Israeli strike did not actually hit the building, but nearby, with shock waves causing the building to collapse.

Perhaps the investigation --- which Israel says it will do --- will reveal how much artillery damage there is to the structure and where it came from.


887 posted on 07/30/2006 10:32:44 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Down with "Proportionality" ...YES to Israel, NO to terrorism)...(((AM YISRAEL CHAI!)))
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To: mtbopfuyn

Bookmark this site, or download all the panels:

http://almashriq.hiof.no/lebanon/900/910/912/maps/mot-maps/


888 posted on 07/30/2006 10:33:19 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: Lizarde

"Timing - it is pretty amazing that it took 6 (SIX) hours for the ambulances to get there from Tyre? - that's really not a six hour drive no matter what the condition of the roads. Even if somebody had to get on a bicycle and pedal up to Tyre to get the ambulances - it shouldn't take that long."

I heard that earlier as well. My thought - where are the much vaunted Hezbollah social services? All those ambulances and hospitals and stuff that hezbos build? IIRC the original article indicated that Chinese engineers (WTF?) were the first to arrive with backhoes and such...



890 posted on 07/30/2006 10:35:11 AM PDT by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamic Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Well, the building shown in the Fox video is not in the town at these coordinates. Not sure what that means.


891 posted on 07/30/2006 10:35:39 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: af_vet_1981

" This is the part I don't quite understand. How can all the administrations from President Reagan's until today tolerate the torture and murder of our Marines and other personnel by the terrorists? ""

I don't understand it either. You'd think after what those murdering thugs did to our Marines, they would have been eliminated years ago.


892 posted on 07/30/2006 10:36:11 AM PDT by Pepper777
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To: Txsleuth
Sooooo..is the consensus here that this is mainly a staged event??

It is beginning to look that way more and more......Paliwood films, a time frame that doesn't make sense, the history of Qana (site for a similar disaster in 1996 that put stop to an Israeli action against Hezb), a CNN reporter who says the building was not hit directly, a strike some meters away.

Waiting for further news from IAF, but the tradgedy may have been caused by the building collapsing much later due to structural defects, or because the IAF bombs set of something explsoive in the building (stored explosives or gas from a broken pipe).

PS: Thanks for your comments re my post yesterday. Blushed all over.

;^))

893 posted on 07/30/2006 10:36:54 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Lizarde

Incidentally, the video shown on Israeli TV of Cana shows lots of men being carried out from the building including one with a HUGE stomach

that is "big guy with the stripe on his shirt" As opposed to the "guy with ripped shirt". Both are competing for "Looter Guy" status.


894 posted on 07/30/2006 10:37:14 AM PDT by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamic Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)
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To: Peach

This is precisely why people like Kral Rove, wizards of information management, shouldn't be cut out of the military planning loop.

A professional would have had that video all racked up and ready to feed to the networks within one hour of the return of the air raid on Qana, instead, we let the military get around to it when the beans are already rolling all over the floor, citing OPSEC as an excuse for the fact that they really have no clue when it comes to fighting an information war.

Tanks and planes, yes, grid squares and LOC's yes, counter assaults in the global perception arena, huh?

If you want to know why we win war after war and lose peace after peace, start here.


895 posted on 07/30/2006 10:39:05 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: SoCalPol

Time and time again, the United Nations has been called upon to protect innocent people and has failed........

And often they've been part of the problem or they've created their own set of problems.


896 posted on 07/30/2006 10:39:15 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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Israel has also confirmed that Nur Shalhoub, a senior Hezbollah terrorist, was killed in an aerial attack of his vehicle on Thursday. Shalhoub was responsible for the smuggling of strategic weapons for Hezbollah including long range missiles, which can reach deep into Israel. The IAF targeted the vehicle in the area of Bekaa during a smuggling attempt. In addition to Shalhub, several additional terrorists who were in the vehicle were killed. The vehicle was loaded with missiles at the time of the attack.

Source

898 posted on 07/30/2006 10:40:11 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Straight Vermonter
Fallingrain.com list the coordinates for Qana as 33.2080556 35.3002778

Someone at Google Earth has it at 33.073169 35.125465.

The travel site has it at 33.47361 35.51250.

Heck, let Israel lob a few more over there and it'll be wiped off the map... wherever it is/was.

899 posted on 07/30/2006 10:40:48 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: ScaniaBoy

I always look forward to your posts...you bring a great perspective to the thread...well thought out.


900 posted on 07/30/2006 10:40:54 AM PDT by Txsleuth ((((((((ISRAEL)))))))))
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