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Our Enlightened Schools: Ritalin Replaces Spanking
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| 7/29/2006
| Ted Byfield
Posted on 07/29/2006 7:48:15 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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I wonder what the result would be if we did a poll on how many FReepers were spanked when they were younger. I think we'd get the closest result to 100% than any other issue.
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posted on
07/29/2006 7:48:17 AM PDT
by
Pyro7480
To: Pyro7480
Another sobering thought. If you put your kids on antidepressants, they will never be able to legally own firearms. What a great back door way to get "gun control".
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posted on
07/29/2006 7:51:36 AM PDT
by
taxed2death
(A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
To: Pyro7480
They used to use swats when I was in High School. One hard swat with a paddle would get your attention. They would also suspend or expell more quickly. Sure they were tougher, but order was maintained and more of the ones who wanted an education got one.
To: Pyro7480
"How many of your 'problem' children are boys?" I asked my friend. Nearly all of them, he said. I suspect many of these "problem" boys are just boys being boys, and that's just something our increasingly feminized society deems unacceptable.
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posted on
07/29/2006 7:56:57 AM PDT
by
Mr. Mojo
Comment #5 Removed by Moderator
To: taxed2death
Another sobering thought. If you put your kids on antidepressants, they will never be able to legally own firearms. What a great back door way to get "gun control".HUH? Got a source for that?
Both of my girls are legal gun owners and my older has taken Prozac for several years. I don't remember that being a question on any form she filled out or being asked at any class she attended.
To: Pyro7480
Before our kids were born, my dear wife had bought into this "violence begets violence" crap and didn't want to do any spanking. I persuaded her that it was a valuable tool in certain circumstances. We made a list of rules and adhered to them:
- Spanking would be done only for repeated willful disobedience after being warned of the consequences, OR for life-threatening behavior like running into traffic
- It would only be done after 1 year of age and before 7 years (we felt that if you have to spank a kid after 7 you have already failed)
- Spanking would be done only with the open hand on the clothed rump, not with a fist, not on the face or back, and not with a switch or paddle
- it would not be done while the parent was in anger, but it would be done as soon in time after the offense as practical (no "wait till daddy gets home")
- Spanking would not be done in public, except for the running-into-traffic type of situation, if only for the practical reason that there are too many busybodies out there who would call CPS.
It worked very, very well. I only had to spank my son a half dozen times, and my daughter only a couple of times. They have grown into the nicest, most well-adjusted, well-behaved adolescents you could ever hope to meet, if I may say so myself.
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posted on
07/29/2006 8:01:36 AM PDT
by
ccmay
(Too much Law; not enough Order)
To: Pyro7480
I was spanked as a kid. I can honestly say I'm a better person today as a result.
All this touchy-feely, nonviolent, self esteem boosting, PC, gobbledygook is disgusting.
It even extends to the so-called "War on Terror" where we try to use PC methods on a bunch of people with 7th century mindsets dedicated to our utter destruction.
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posted on
07/29/2006 8:01:53 AM PDT
by
upchuck
(Me wish for Democrats to die? No, I just want them to develop Tourette's Syndrome. ~American Quilter)
To: SoftballMominVA
Perhaps it is state by state, last time I saw a CT form the question was on there....that being grounds enough for refusal to issue a permit.
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posted on
07/29/2006 8:02:36 AM PDT
by
taxed2death
(A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
To: Pyro7480
My Dad has told me stories how my grandmother would take him to the woodshed and use a snakebelly (rubber innertube), my mother used a flyswatter or a hairbrush. My son didn't need many spankings, but he got them when he deserved it.
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posted on
07/29/2006 8:02:49 AM PDT
by
flynmudd
(Proud Navy Mom to OSSR Richard T. Blalock-USS Ramage)
To: Pyro7480
This article is so true....it really hits the mark (no pun)
What a sad commentary ...we would rather medicate our boys, than discipline them.
FWIW, I was a fairly well behaved little kid :)))
..but if a spanking was needed, I got it.
I received very few, mostly I was 'switched' by my grandmother....who I have the deepest & most profound respect for.
In case some of you don't understand 'switched'..
..I'm from the South....a switch is a flexible bough broken from a large, sturdy flower bush......and it stings when applied to the backside of the legs.
I'm no worse for wear, however....I never had welts or scars.....but I got the message.
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posted on
07/29/2006 8:04:22 AM PDT
by
Guenevere
(Israel, our friend and ally.....God bless her.)
To: taxed2death
Another sobering thought. If you put your kids on antidepressants, they will never be able to legally own firearms. What a great back door way to get "gun control". I'm sorry, that's not correct. Guns are forbidden to the mentally ill only if they have been adjudicated insane and committed involuntarily to an asylum. This is a formal legal process, with checks and balances and avenues of appeal.
-ccm
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posted on
07/29/2006 8:04:56 AM PDT
by
ccmay
(Too much Law; not enough Order)
To: Pyro7480
we give them Ritalin to sedate them into a semi-comatose stupor
Do you support the WOD (War On some Drugs)? Welcome to yet another unintended consequence of your world.
A government that can step on parental rights and force a child to ingest certain drugs can surely do the same to an adult. Stated differently, a government that prohibits persons from ingesting certain drugs can force persons to ingest certain drugs.
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posted on
07/29/2006 8:10:00 AM PDT
by
Zon
(Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
To: Pyro7480
I've been working on a school for deaf children for about one year and from the impression I got, Ritalin really helps in about 1 of 4 cases. Most of these cases were the really hm, mental kids, one of them, a 12 year old tried to cut me with scissors in my first week. After a week of Ritalin doses he changed from a child that not even the 'emergency teacher' could handle to a reasonably attentive student.
On the other hand, parents that can't manage their problem children often readily use large amounts of Ritalin to 'shut down' their children. Many of these children are only hyperactive (in this special case, some of the parents were annoyed by having 'defect children' what may have contributed to their behavior). The result were detatched, zombie-like children which went wild in compensation when the drug stopped working.
Ritalin used in this way will definitely PRODUCE mental derangements.
To: Guenevere
I'm from the South and received a daily @ss whuppin' from my mother (she used a crabapple switch).
I was a hyperactive kid and would pick at her until she became fed up. Afterwards, I always felt serene and happy.
To: ccmay
Well, it differs from state to state I can tell you that. I remember an incident where my brother was screaming at his wife and a neighbor overheard the argument and called the cops. Cops came, confiscated his firearms and he had to get a court ordered phsyce evaluation in order to get them back. It really depends on what town you live in and how the LOCAL cops handle a situation. The cop wrote down something that he "suspected" my brother was mentally unstable. It took my brother 18 months to get his firearms back.
The Ritalin question on a form opens the door to any / all medical evaluations being examined by the authorities and then on down the slippery slope to permit rejection because of a mental instability question.
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posted on
07/29/2006 8:16:31 AM PDT
by
taxed2death
(A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
To: Pyro7480
I was spanked. Not frequently and never in school because my parents made sure I respected adults and I was just naturely more mature for my age. I spank my children, my daughter almost never needs it because she is more mature but as for Johnathan and Ryan if we hadn't reined them in they'd rule the house or would be uncontrollable.
The thing that I noticed is that through metered application of spanking that we have produced children that know where the line is and respect it usually. This is especially important when a child is young and can not communicate well though one should be careful not to confuse a sick unruly child with a stubborn misbehaving one. I don't believe spanking should not be the first resort but when you are in the situation where you just had a child do something that put themselves or their brother or sister in real danger then they don't need talking first they need a "serious" spanking and then a lecture for emphasis. I personally like to put the fear of God into them with a loud intoning voice which I think does a lot for effect.
I think is is horrible that Ritalin has become the drug of choice for those who lose control of their children and it saddens me that many in the Christian community who wish to have little perfect boys that sit still and don't fidget have increasingly relied on such doping of their children.
I'm sure some will be offended by this but the truth is that there is no evidence that the inordinate number of boys that have been prescribed drugs receive any long term benefits over those who are not given such drugs. Now you have adults indulging in the idea that they need Ritalin, giving themselves another excuse for their lack of discipline and laziness or just the fact they get bored in boring environments.
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posted on
07/29/2006 8:16:35 AM PDT
by
Ma3lst0rm
(Truth is often too stiff a drink for those nursed on feelings.)
To: Guenevere
Good morning.
"...but if a spanking was needed, I got it.'
I would bet you haven't shot up a school, either.
Michael Frazier
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posted on
07/29/2006 8:20:57 AM PDT
by
brazzaville
(no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
To: ccmay; patton
excellent and very well thought out.
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posted on
07/29/2006 8:21:28 AM PDT
by
leda
(Life is always what you make it!)
To: Pyro7480
"violence begets violence"That's not a Universal Truth. But neither is it a Universal Falsehood. In some situations, it's a good model of reality. In others, it isn't. It takes wisdom and insight (and perhaps good intel) to know when you have a situation where "violence begets violence," and when you have a situation where "violence ends violence."
Adherents of the cult of Peace-as-a-Religion are not wise.
Were "violence begets violence" a Universal Truth, then any resistance to crime--especially including the sorts of things police and courts generally do in response to crime--would always just make matters worse.
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posted on
07/29/2006 8:31:10 AM PDT
by
sourcery
(A libertarian is a conservative who has been mugged ...by his own government)
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