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House slates vote on raising minimum wage (bowing to moderates, seeking to defuse campaign issue)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 7/28/06 | Andrew Taylor - ap

Posted on 07/28/2006 9:31:35 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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1 posted on 07/28/2006 9:31:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Wonder what welfare pays per week?

My first job over 30 years ago paid $6.00/hr. I can't believe you could even find a job that offered a wage as low as $5.15/hr. The free market works. Instead of voting to raise the minimum wage, they should rescind the law altogether.


2 posted on 07/28/2006 9:35:58 AM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I think we should have a "minimum grade". All schoolchildren get at least a "C". Wouldn't that make the country better too?
3 posted on 07/28/2006 9:45:14 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: NormsRevenge

The article didn't say it, but the Senate democrats also fought a republican proposal to raise the minimum wage and provide incentives for small businesses to cover the costs.

In other words, if the senate democrats hadn't voted against it, the senate would have approved an increase in the minimum wage for these "poor people" the democrats say they love.

And now the republicans in the house will also pass an increase for those poor people, but the democrats will oppose it because it will hurt their fat-cat union and lawyer lobbies.

But the newspaper will blame it all on republicans.

To LaTourrette, I say "You can't justify a $5.15 minimum wage. You can't justify ANY minimum wage. But once you've adopted an unjustifiable minimum wage, there is no rational way to pick the "correct" number, because the ONLY rational way to pick a wage is for an employer and employee to agree on a fair wage, and the "minimum wage" circumvents with that process.


4 posted on 07/28/2006 9:45:32 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: IamConservative

"I can't believe you could even find a job that offered a wage as low as $5.15/hr."

Wanna bet? :)But then again, just last week I had to "explain" "cost of living" to a young man from CA who was dumbfounded at how "cheap" things are around here. ;)

That being said, the last thing I want is a "raise" in the minimum wage, which benefits no one but "govt." in the form of increased taxes on said increased wages. In the meantime, since the choice of employers is to either decrease employees or raise prices or both, the net result is to a: increase the number of minimum wage earners by encompassing those earning more than the present minimum but less than the new minimum and b: that said minimum wage earners end up even worse off than they were before the raise. :(


5 posted on 07/28/2006 9:52:50 AM PDT by Mrs. Ranger (lamenting the death of "common sense" - vote Irey)
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To: Mrs. Ranger
Wanna bet?

Wal-Mart and McDonalds both pay an average of over $10/hr.

What kind of jobs pay $5.15/hr? Not trying to be argumentaitve, I just don't see or hear of wages this low.

6 posted on 07/28/2006 9:57:35 AM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Yes we all long for the good ole days when employee and employer would come together and negotiate a wage.......the mines, the meat packing houses, the textile mills, the domestic servants for two dollars a day....ah for the days of unrestricted capitalism....


7 posted on 07/28/2006 9:59:31 AM PDT by reflecting
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To: IamConservative

Don't our GOP Congressmen and Senators have any cojones at all?!


8 posted on 07/28/2006 10:02:06 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: CharlesWayneCT
To LaTourrette, I say "You can't justify a $5.15 minimum wage. You can't justify ANY minimum wage. But once you've adopted an unjustifiable minimum wage, there is no rational way to pick the "correct" number, because the ONLY rational way to pick a wage is for an employer and employee to agree on a fair wage, and the "minimum wage" circumvents with that process.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

Thomas Sowell would be proud of you. :-)

9 posted on 07/28/2006 10:02:11 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: NormsRevenge

If the idea here is to ensure that full time employees are guaranteed a "living wage" then there is a simpler way to do this than by raising the federally mandated minimum age.

The government needs to simply write a check to every worker in America that makes up the difference between what they earn in a year and what they need to comfortably live on. This can be paid for out of a special government fund set up specifically for this purpose and doesn't need to come out of the general fund. The way to pay for this is for the government to PRINT EXTRA MONEY to exactly cover the amount needed by this program.

Now, some people out there might argue that the government printing extra money and putting it into circulation doesn't actually put anything of real value into the economy but simply results in out of control inflation and an erosion of peoples savings, and those people would be right. But, in the end, it's the exact same thing as the federal government mandating higher minimum wages.


10 posted on 07/28/2006 10:02:20 AM PDT by spinestein (Follow "The Bronze Rule")
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To: reflecting

Too many people are applauding instead of recognizing the sarcasm.


11 posted on 07/28/2006 10:04:12 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: IamConservative
I can't believe you could even find a job that offered a wage as low as $5.15/hr.

That's why I think we need to index the minimum wage for inflation. It's so low, it's not really hurting anything now. Indexing it for inflation will take the issue off the table forever, but will continue to keep the minimum wage from being a problem. (Indexing a wage to inflation instead of wage growth will allow it to fall further and further behind. That is why Social Security is indexed to wage growth.)

12 posted on 07/28/2006 10:05:41 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some Freepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
To LaTourrette, I say "You can't justify a $5.15 minimum wage. You can't justify ANY minimum wage.

Damn, beat me to it.
13 posted on 07/28/2006 10:06:56 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: IamConservative

They want to increase the minimum wage by 40% over two years.

While few people actually work for the minimum wage, this will shift result in shifting a lot of hourly pay scales up and will cause a significant jump in inflation.

Socialism doesn't work.


14 posted on 07/28/2006 10:08:59 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: spinestein
...the federally mandated minimum age.

My children are in violation of this law.....

15 posted on 07/28/2006 10:09:19 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some Freepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: TChris
and all the robbers barrens of old would also be proud...how dare the little people, the disposable ones, dare think they are justified in using government to force owners to pay them a living wage? The gall....the unmitigated uppityness
16 posted on 07/28/2006 10:09:30 AM PDT by reflecting
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To: reflecting
the domestic servants for two dollars a day....ah for the days of unrestricted capitalism....

If I find someone willing to be my domestic servant for $2/day, how do you have any say in that contract?

Likewise, what business is it of mine how much you choose to pay your servant? But out of curiosity, how much would you pay?

17 posted on 07/28/2006 10:09:45 AM PDT by Can i say that here?
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To: Wolfie

true true


18 posted on 07/28/2006 10:11:04 AM PDT by reflecting
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To: reflecting
dare think they are justified in using government to force owners to pay them a living wage?

If we can get together to use the government to force the "robber baron" to give us more than we are worth, why can't we use the government to force him to pay us for not even working at all?

19 posted on 07/28/2006 10:12:31 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some Freepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I agree the minimum wage needs to be adjusted. Take the original (.25 in 1938) and adjust to todays dollars. The wage would be about $3.50!


20 posted on 07/28/2006 10:14:09 AM PDT by Hazcat
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