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What I Saw in Dearbornistan--Crashing a Muslim extremist rally
Frontpagemagazine/Debbieschlussel.com ^ | 7-28-06 | Debbie Schlussel

Posted on 07/28/2006 7:11:55 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: PDR; All
oy vey! the intolerance is incredible. so very un-American.

Where does 'un-American'end. . .and NO AMERICA, begin?

Applications of 'fairness' like Justice require a prequisite of balance - proportionality. . .the 'word of the week' no doubt. . .

The truth is, we are not asked to love our 'neighbor' MORE than ourselves. . .but only proportionately. . .'as' ourselves; hence the 'Charity begins at 'home'dictum. . .

If 'fairness' has no boundaries. . .it ceases to be fair; instead it becomes an 'anti' virtue. . .and the 'fairness/Justice model becomes a negative model.

[As to the proportionality - balance- as per our assignment of Justice to the opposing forces of Israel/Hezbollah; it cannot be measured only, by their opposition. . .or their weaponry and/or the stats or class of victims i.e. women/children. . .civilians (innocent vs non-innocent).

Rather the equasion must include the weight of intention. . .modus operandi and ultimate goal of opposing forces.

In which case; and all considered; the Hezbollah enemy deserves all that Israel and civilized et als. . . can muster against them to insure their destruction.. .]

201 posted on 07/30/2006 10:23:04 AM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal free. . .or suffer their consequences. . .)
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To: SJackson

Dismaying, terrifying--bump. Is there a Michigan ping list?


202 posted on 07/30/2006 2:25:29 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: sauropod

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203 posted on 07/31/2006 4:49:53 AM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
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To: ShadowDancer

Ah ha, the park...Now, I realize you grew up less than a mile from my current resident. Nice to meet you...


204 posted on 07/31/2006 5:36:38 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: ShadowDancer

"......next to the Sweetwater Steakhouse."

I just realized that you must have been in the area rather recently. They used to be the Dearborn Tavern, until some auto companies/suppliers stopped allowing for lunches to be expensed at taverns....


205 posted on 07/31/2006 5:38:56 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: netmilsmom

"To close one's eyes and say that the truth is not true will get you robbed in this area."

When was the last robbery in Dearborn? When was the last robbery in Dearborn that was performed by a Dearborn resident?


206 posted on 07/31/2006 5:42:14 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: Panzerlied

"There ain't no deer in Dearborn, Michigan"

Actually, there are a lot of deer in Dearborn. There is quite a few wooded areas that are conducive to the deer population. Especially along the Rouge River area.


207 posted on 07/31/2006 5:43:40 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: CSM

Most robberies in Dearborn are performed by either persons from The City of Detroit or Inkster.

Its true that most of East Dearborn is Arabic. But not all of Dearborn. There are still a lot Italians and Poles living in the area. One of the best Italian restaurants is smack dab across the street from a mosque.

During the last election, the Arabic centers put up an Arabic candidate for Mayor. He lost by a landslide to Mayor Guido.

While East Dearborn has a lot of arabic immigrants, look toward Dearborn Heights for the money. There you will find many Big Foot houses going up from wealthy muslims. Its the money that goes to Hezbollah. Follow the money.


208 posted on 07/31/2006 5:50:48 AM PDT by Portnoy (Fahrenheit 451...Today's Temperature is hotter than you think...)
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To: CSM

http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Dearborn&state=MI

(BTW, maybe I didn't make it clear. This did include Hamtramck and Sterling Heights. We don't live in Oz)


209 posted on 07/31/2006 5:59:55 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: SJackson

ping for later read by one who lives close to Dearbornistan.


210 posted on 07/31/2006 6:01:55 AM PDT by Diva
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To: netmilsmom

Robbery is, "Is 0.67 times the National Average." My bet is that those robberies that do occur are not carried out by Dearborn residents. Instead, the proximaty to the city of Detroit tends to skew the crime numbers.

You claimed that Dearborn is a dangerous place and you implied that robbery was common. However, as a Dearborn resident that does a lot of walking at a lot of different times of day, I very rarely feel any threats.

Yes, Dearborn has a high level of residents of Arabic descent and yes there is most likely some sleeper cells in Dearborn. However, overall Dearborn is not a dangerous place. Especially, considering that Dearborn is divided by the Southfield (a 4 lane hwy. for the lurkers) and is pretty much two cities. One called East and one called West. West Dearborn is filled with the average hard working blue/white collar American as residents and by day it is Fordville.....

The most dangerous situation in Dearborn is when one tries to discuss the President in a UAW member filled neighborhood Tavern. Believe me on that one!


211 posted on 07/31/2006 7:50:57 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: CSM

I've been in the Tavern before but never the Steakhouse. My dad still lives there and I am only a few minutes away from there now so I'm in Dearborn a lot.


212 posted on 07/31/2006 8:37:02 AM PDT by ShadowDancer (No autopsy, no foul.)
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To: CSM
Ah ha, the park...

Yep, it used to be Ten Eyke Elementary and I went there for kindergarten and first grade but then they closed it down and we all went to Snow.

213 posted on 07/31/2006 8:38:18 AM PDT by ShadowDancer (No autopsy, no foul.)
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To: CSM

>>You claimed that Dearborn is a dangerous place and you implied that robbery was common. However, as a Dearborn resident that does a lot of walking at a lot of different times of day, I very rarely feel any threats.<<

Please FRiend, go back to the original post. I said, "Our area" is a dangerous place. Our area is more than Dearborn.

Along with that, as a woman alone with a baby I did not feel safe going into Dearborn. You may not like that but just as I do not feel safe going to Hamtramck alone with two children, I am allowed my opinion. Geez oh Pete, there are parts of Warren that I would prefer to avoid.

And if you think that a woman alone is safe in the Greater Detroit area, think again. Unless she has a CCW or some self-defense training, she should be cautious.


214 posted on 07/31/2006 9:01:22 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: All
Mohammed, The Mad Poet Quoted....
215 posted on 07/31/2006 12:28:26 PM PDT by PsyOp (In this one enemy we strike at the center of gravity… - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: All

While the comments have kinda gone all over the map, this article, imo, needs to stay near the top for a long time.


216 posted on 07/31/2006 7:58:31 PM PDT by FreeRadical (Nuke Mecca. It's not graffiti, It's a way of Life!)
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To: FreeRadical

another bttt iot troll for new eyeballs


217 posted on 08/01/2006 11:12:16 AM PDT by FreeRadical (That's no "open container" officer. That's my beer.)
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To: beaelysium

bump


218 posted on 08/02/2006 8:26:13 AM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now!)
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To: PDR
I[f] someone said about Jews what Debbie Schlussel says about Muslims she would be leading a march on their home and business... a bigot is a bigot is a bigot, no matter how they cloak themselves in righteous rhetoric and historical tragedy.

Uh, so what does she say that isn't right there in the Koran and hadith?

Being bigotted against Nazis is not bigotry.

MUSLIMS INSTRUCTED TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS [9:29-30] JUST FOR SPEAKING AGAINST ISLAM [9:32]!

KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS PROHIBITED:

KORAN [9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.

THIS IS MUHAMMAD'S EXAMPLE JUSTIFYING THE KILLING OF DUTCH FILM MAKER THEO van GOGH:

Hadith Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Chapter 41: THE MURDER OF KA'B B. ASHRAF, (THE EVIL GENIUS) OF THE JEWS [for authoring songs and jokes about Muhammad]

HADITH Sahih Muslim [19:4436] It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes.
He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like). So, Muhammad b. Maslama came to Ka'b and talked to him, referred to the old friendship between them and said: This man (i. e. the Holy Prophet) has made up his mind to collect charity (from us) and this has put us to a great hardship. When be heard this, Ka'b said: By God, you will be put to more trouble by him. Muhammad b. Maslama said: No doubt, now we have become his followers and we do not like to forsake him until we see what turn his affairs will take. I want that you should give me a loan. He said: What will you mortgage? He said: What do you want? He said: Pledge me your women. He said: You are the most handsome of the Arabs; should we pledge our women to you? He said: Pledge me your children. He said: The son of one of us may abuse us saying that he was pledged for two wasqs of dates, but we can pledge you (cur) weapons. He said: All right. Then Muhammad b. Maslama promised that he would come to him with Harith, Abu 'Abs b. Jabr and Abbad b. Bishr. So they came and called upon him at night. He came down to them. Sufyan says that all the narrators except 'Amr have stated that his wife said: I hear a voice which sounds like the voice of murder. He said: It is only Muhammad b. Maslama and his foster-brother, Abu Na'ila. When a gentleman is called at night even it to be pierced with a spear, he should respond to the call. Muhammad said to his companions: As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head and when I hold him fast, you should do your job. So when he came down and he was holding his cloak under his arm, they said to him: We sense from you a very fine smell. He said: Yes, I have with me a mistress who is the most scented of the women of Arabia. He said: Allow me to smell (the scent on your head). He said: Yes, you may smell. So he caught it and smelt. Then he said: Allow me to do so (once again). He then held his head fast and said to his companions: Do your job. And they killed him.

APOSTATES AND "young people with foolish thoughts"
TO BE KILLED BY ANYONE WHO FINDS THEM (e.g. honor killings):

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:260] Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [6:61:577] Narrated 'Ali:
I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [9:84:64] Narrated 'Ali:
Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."

AND MODERATE MUSLIMS TOO:

HADITH Sahih Muslim [5:2325] Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
A group would secede itself (from the Ummah) when there would be dissension among the Muslims. Out of the two groups who would be nearer the truth would kill them.

Unlike Christians, Muslims can pretend to deny their faith to fool unbelievers (Al-Taqiyyah):

KORAN [16.106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

UNEQUAL JUSTICE:

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "...we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "...the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

WOMEN (and girls) IN ISLAM:

KORAN [2.223] Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:67] Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [5:58:234] Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:64] Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

THE JOOOOOOZ IN ISLAM:

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

KORAN [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

© Religion of Peace

KORAN (Shakir translation): http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

ISLAM DELENDA EST!

220 posted on 08/20/2006 9:44:42 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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