Posted on 07/27/2006 8:20:43 AM PDT by xzins
In talking about religion it talks about the church.
To say Jesus wasn't engaging in religion would be a ridiculous comment.
Everything Jesus did is religious: every lesson, every act, every word.
They could speak, ventriloquate, or fart as much as they want. They might have to start paying taxes, though.
OTOH "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the feedom of speech"
Hobson's choice requiring a choice to be made between speech and taxation is an abridgement of speech; a lien upon an unalienable right by taxing its exercise.
Whether a choice be required of an individual, church or any peaceful assembly of individuals to exercise unalienable rights, for Congress to make a law as a defacto tax on the exercise one's right to speech is forbidden.
Congress shall make no law, is not a maybe, it is an absolute restriction on government as regards the unalieanable rights of all individuals and assemblies to the freedom of political and religious speech.
That's an entirely different debate. But if we are going to have voluntary tax-exempt status, the same rules should apply across the board.
Absolute, eh? Explain that to American Indians & Rastafarians who can't use drugs as part of their worship or Mormons who can't practice bigamy in the U.S.
Scatch the word speech and insert the word exercise. The 1st is given below. I've bolded what applies "to the people", regardless of any condition whatsoever. Notice the 1st applies to neither the church, or the press. It applies "to the people".
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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The only orifice of theirs which could be restricted is their pockets - and this is not a sound producing orifice. They could fart [per Aristotle, it is ultimately the same as burp] as much as they want and are able to stand the smell of.
An interesting point and one I have wondered about which probably has a simple answer that I don't see. If the law gives a tax break to one group, say homeowners, then all in that group are treated equally. What about those outside that group? Were they treated equally to those inside it?
The FairTax is a VERY clear example of that and it boosts the economy of he country and benefits individual taxpayers as well.
Why is it that political speech is what causes the church or group to be taxable? If it were fashion tips or scifi book club recommendations, would that cause them to lose their tax status. I believe that the reason it is political speech is that the government wants to squelch sources of political speech. The saying says somethign to the effect of "tax what you want to destroy". It's better for the politicians if people aren't criticizing them. And if the peons deign to criticise their betters, those betters are going to try to make it as uncomfortable as possible.
My vote would be to do away with all tax exempt everything. I don't believe that these companies need this. Why should we support groups we don't believe in or even want to give to. That is what donations are for. Yes they will have to pay taxes on donations but will still have enough money to do good. Once this happens than all that extra funds would/could be given back to tax payers and some would give even more to charity.
I agree with you on that subject, but the issue here is about SINCE we HAVE a tax on political entities, why the heck should churches be exempt when they use the pulpit to proselytize for political issues and politicians?
Its a mute point anyway because traditionally the liberal black churches have supported actively - Democrats and their key left-wing issues like gun control.
Consequently the emasculated white capons in Washington won't do anything to challenge that because it would result in the dreaded scarlett letters "BIGOT" on their brain numbed foreheads.
A church is not a building. It's a bunch of people who've gathered together for mutual support through faith in Christ.
Therefore, any act of religion that I make is a personal act of religion, so to take even a dime of my act of religious giving, is to curtail my act of worship. That makes my religion "curtailed." If something is "curtailed," it is not "free."
If I block the stream behind my house, it is "curtailed," it is no longer "free" flowing.
If you are I form a non-profit organization and use that organization, e.g.the NRA, to make political statements and all of a sudden we are taxable.
Under the constitution political speech cannot be made taxable.
That my blind friend is a charge on the freedom speech. a lien on an unalienable right to be guaranteed under the Constitution.
Congress can make no law, is a clear prohibition against such regulation whether it is a church, or the NRA, or any peaceful assembly of individual exercising their clear and unalienable rights.
This has nothing to do with free speech in this context, just equality of treatment before the law.
It has everything to do with free speech and assembly in all contexts. Just and equal treatment requires that none be taxed in the exercise of inalienable rights, especially that such are so clearly held in guarantee under the Bill of Rights.
Many don't realize it, but pastors do.
The church is a form of mass communication.
Our connections with one another can transmit opinions, attitudes, and info through shared beliefs almost as fast as newspapers can do it.
Moreover, it comes wrapped in a moral package.
If you want a whispering campaign, get the right info at the right time to a local church.
That terrifies many politicians.
"... if we are going to have voluntary tax-exempt status ..."
Ah, but that's just the point!!! There's no valid reason for retaining such an income tax system as our tax revenues can be raised more efficiently and more cheaply with the FairTax while benefiting almost all taxpayers as well as the economy of the country.
For those of you not familiar with the FairTax, here's the bill (HR25). And it's a very interesting read.
In addition, there's a world on information on FairTax website.
There's lots of helpful information there on many, many different topics. Check the FAQs and Rebuttals for example.
Don't interfere in my worship of God and tell me it's free.
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