Tocharians

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[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

As I noted in post #69, the term Christ has a very specific meaning, The Anointed One. As far as Jews are considered, the current peiod of time is BC since they do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

This is your argument now, but at the beginning of the thread you said...

The use of BCE and CE provides a common measure.

So which is it? I believe you realized that you had lost the "common measure" argument and allowed your argument to change to the "it's offensive" argument. If that's your case, fine, but I want to note the shift in this position.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

CE & BCE are teeth-achingly political correct terms for AD and BC, respectively. from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19_BCE

The Common Era (CE), sometimes known as Current Era, Christian Era, is the period of measured time beginning with the year 1 (the traditional birthdate of Jesus) to the present. The notations CE and BCE (Before the Common Era or Before the Christian Era) are alternative notations for AD (anno Domini, Latin for "in the year of the Lord") and BC (Before Christ), respectively. They may also be written C.E. and B.C.E.

Personally, I think it's just another unnecessary and annoying piece of Orwellian PC jive.

[NC28203]

>>>So which is it? I believe you realized that you had lost the "common measure" argument and allowed your argument to change to the "it's offensive" argument. If that's your case, fine, but I want to note the shift in this position.

Uh, no. If you review the thread you will see my first post, #15 stated

"Keep in mind that archaeology is an international discipline. For many of the people doing this research, Jesus is not the Christ and not their Lord. Would you expect the Jews working with Israeli antiquities to use such terminology? Do you object to physicists and chemists using the metric system?"

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Hakka Chinese

[Ptarmigan]

Tocharians are very interesting people. The red haired mummy. Ancient Chinese literature had accounts of red and blonde hairs with blue or green eyed people amongst them. They were White emperors, shamans, and generals. I would not be surprised if Koreans and Japanese have some Tocharian in them.

[blam]

"Tocharians are very interesting people. The red haired mummy. Ancient Chinese literature had accounts of red and blonde hairs with blue or green eyed people amongst them. They were White emperors, shamans, and generals. I would not be surprised if Koreans and Japanese have some Tocharian in them."

I agree...they definately have Ainu genes but, I'm not sure if there is a relationship between the Tocharians and the Ainu/Jomon of Japan.

There are Chinese poems lamenting the green eyes of some of the Han emperors and the 'magic men' of the emperors were documented in Chinese literature to have had red hair.

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Siberian Graveyard's Secret (More RedHeads)

[blam]

"BTW, not all Mongoloids are the same. Most northern East Asians and indigenous North Americans (China, Korea, Japan, Siberia, Inuits, First Nations, northern Native Americans) today have Sinodonty ("Chinese teeth"), while most Southeast Asians (Taiwanese aboriginals, Philippines, Thailand, Borneo, Laos, Malaysia) have Sundadonty. Sinodonty is much newer than Sundadonty. Northern Mongoloid and Southern Mongoloid might have had very different origins."

The Sunda part of Sundadonty is derived (see Christy Turner) from Sundaland in SE Asia. The Northern Mongoloids are a split off from the Southern Mongoloids and did occur some time later.

Kennewick Man had Sundadont teeth.

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The Samurai And The Ainu

Findings by American anthropologist C. Loring Brace, University of Michigan, will surely be controversial in race conscious Japan. The eye of the predicted storm will be the Ainu, a "racially different" group of some 18,000 people now living on the northern island of Hokkaido. Pure-blooded Ainu are easy to spot: they have lighter skin, more body hair, and higher-bridged noses than most Japanese. Most Japanese tend to look down on the Ainu.

Brace has studied the skeletons of about 1,100 Japanese, Ainu, and other Asian ethnic groups and has concluded that the revered samurai of Japan are actually descendants of the Ainu, not of the Yayoi from whom most modern Japanese are descended. In fact, Brace threw more fuel on the fire with:

"Dr. Brace said this interpretation also explains why the facial features of the Japanese ruling class are so often unlike those of typical modern Japanese. The Ainu-related samurai achieved such power and prestige in medieval Japan that they intermarried with royality and nobility, passing on Jomon-Ainu blood in the upper classes, while other Japanese were primarily descended from the Yoyoi." The reactions of Japanese scientists have been muted so. One Japanese anthropologist did say to Brace," I hope you are wrong."

The Ainu and their origin have always been rather mysterious, with some people claiming that the Ainu are really Caucasian or proto-Caucasian - in other words, "white." At present, Brace's study denies this interpretation.

[blam]

"Ainu and Jomon are two different things. Jomon of Japan had distinctively the East Asian culture found elsewhere, like in Northern China. Toward the end of Jomon, rice paddy agriculture was already prevalent in Japan, suggesting strong influence from the East Asian mainland (wet rice farming came from China's Yangtze River Delta)."

Origins Of The Ainu

"Many archeologists consider the Ainu to be the last living descendants of the Jomon people, who lived throughout Japan from as early as 13,000 years ago. "

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New Lapita Find Re-Dates Fiji Settlers (Jomon/Ainu?)

[Ptarmigan]

I don't think Ainus and Tocharians are related. I am sure they mixed though. Ainu and Tocharian language are very different. Ainu is a language isolate like Basque. I have read Ainu could be related Austranesian (Polynesian languages like Tagalog, Malay, and Javanese) or Austrasiatic (eg. Vietnamese, Khmer, Munda, etc) language family. Another theory is Ainu could be related to Burushaski and Basque.

[Freedom4US]

I get 400 rods to the hogshead, and that's the way I like it!

[blam]

"Another theory is Ainu could be related to Burushaski and Basque."

The Relationship Between The Basque And Ainu

[NC28203]

>>>I get 400 rods to the hogshead, and that's the way I like it!

Thank you Grandpa Simpson. 8^)

" The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it."

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