Posted on 07/25/2006 3:19:19 PM PDT by bkwells
True, but don't try to extrapolate from that. The sun has several cycles that affect it's output. Several hundred years ago, its heat output dropped for a while, and possibly caused the Little Ice Age. Now it's putting out a bit more.
The thing to remember is that these are just fluctuations around a norm. After it spends some time putting out less heat than the norm, the next thing it is likely to do is put out a bit more, and vice versa.
I wonder what we'd do for serious global cooling - burn forests just for the CO2?
CO2 levels 20 times higher than today have been accompanied by deep ice ages at global average temperatures more than 10o C lower than today. CO2 from burning the forests is unlikely to help much against the cooling effects associated with deep ice ages. The change in earth's albedo (reflectivity) just from increasing the size of ice caps is much greater effect.
>.The "hockey stick" producing models have been totally debunked and found not to reflect ANY reality. You can put any numbers in them and it always comes out a hockey stick.<<
I don't know about that but I agree that "hockey stick" is not a good description.
>>Performing linear extrapolations from cyclical data is silly.<<
And yet people who invest do look at moving averages in spite of cyclical markets.
Such "powerful" Category 3 storms as Hurricane Katrina...
In addition, some scientists, including Kerry Emanuel, are linking powerful storms such as Hurricane Katrina to global warming."
Indeed. Unfortunately, as regards hurricanes, against the considered advice of other scientists within the IPCC even one should note:
http://www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/articles/landsea.html
An Open Letter to the Community from
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"On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but - which means that we must include all the doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands, and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we'd like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that we need to get some broadbased support, to capture the public's imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This 'double ethical bind' we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both." (Steven Schneider, Quoted in Discover, pp. 45-48, Oct. 1989; see also (Dixy Lee Ray in 'Trashing the Planet', 1990) and (American Physical Society, APS News August/September 1996).
I suggest you invest all your assets using the same kind of extrapolation involved in the "hockey stick" graph. Don't forget to include your computer as one of your assets.
When the temperature reaches 212, thats the day I'm gonna panic....
FWIW, I'd much rather be wearing shorts, sitting in a boat on Lake St. Clair fishing for perch on February 3rd than drilling a hole in the ice during a 20 mph wind, 20 degrees temps and snowstorm just to sit on a bucket for 4 hours trying to catch the same damn fish.........
Global warming? Bring it on!
>>I suggest you invest all your assets using the same kind of extrapolation involved in the "hockey stick" graph. Don't forget to include your computer as one of your assets.<<
I'm really more of a "buy and hold" kind of guy but thanks anyway.
Yeah, "record-breaking", as long as we're careful to only look at the last page in the record book.
Well FWIW, I took a quick look around this Muller's site to get a sense of where he stands on the global warming "issue". He sortof gave tacit approval(since he didn't offer a rebuttal I was able to find) to the "Humans Are Killing the Planet" scam. That said, I think his graphs(with the exception of Fig. 1-6) are, well, kukka. Maybe(probably?) designed to obscure what's actually happening recently with world temps. JMO of course.
This set of graphs and following comments from HERE are a lot cleaner(fewer points I gather) and actually suggest a dip(???) from the latest peak on the 150kya(2nd) graph:
Here "ka" is an abbreviation for "thousands of years ago". These temperatures are estimated by various methods; I got this chart from:
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