Immigration Proposal Aims to Bridge Republican Divide

The Washington Post ^ | July 25, 2006 | Jim VandeHei and Charles Babington

[Iscool]

You might want to take a look. Tancredo is getting more votes from non-members.

I did look...And it appears that non FR members are more conservative than FR members...

So who is a better cross section of the national consensus??? FR members or non members???

But what you don't realize is that the Allen voters are swing voters...They'll vote for anyone the RNC shoves up their hind ends...I'm guessin' the Tancredo voters will vote for Tancredo, or stay home, or vote for anyone that will promise to close the borders...

And if that's true, the Republicans don't stand a chance, unless they vote for Tancredo en masse'...

[mthom]

Tancredos guest workers could only apply from out of country and did not give current illegals a guaranteed slot in the program like Pence does. Tancredo also required quest workers to return home when their term is up. Pence allows for citizenship. They are not the same. Have you seen Pence and Hutchinsons new plan? That one is highly objectionable. It proposes a guest worker program that only people in the Americas can participate in. Complete with a path to citizenship.

[bybybill]

The "we only need to enforce whats on the books now" arguement misses the point. Those laws are not working. The why isn`t as important as the fact that we can`t continue having borders that are like cheesecloth. If it takes new laws, so be it.

[BigSkyFreeper]

So who is a better cross section of the national consensus??? FR members or non members???

Neither.

[Texasforever]

The non freeper votes are a result of the Tancredo pac mailing list. It was freeped. I have never seen that large of a discrepancy of nonmember to freeper vote on any other poll.

[BigSkyFreeper]

But what you don't realize is that the Allen voters are swing voters...They'll vote for anyone the RNC shoves up their hind ends...I'm guessin' the Tancredo voters will vote for Tancredo, or stay home, or vote for anyone that will promise to close the borders...

Most Allen voters will be Tancredo voters if Tancredo is the nominee.

Anyone who stays home on election day, I don't bother with, because they're gutless when faced with a choice.

[BigSkyFreeper]

The non freeper votes are a result of the Tancredo pac mailing list. It was freeped. I have never seen that large of a discrepancy of nonmember to freeper vote on any other poll.

Me neither. You're right though, it was freeped. Either by the Tancredo mass mailing list or Stormfronters or both.

[BJungNan]

I know, but the majority are still in the unskilled labor market.

As is the majority of legal American workers.

[BJungNan]

I know, but the majority are still in the unskilled labor market.

As is the majority of legal American workers.

And I would include in their ranks many that are semi-skilled and with valuable trade skills.

The point is, it does a real disservice to the issue to continually characterize them as unskilled laborers doing work no one else will do. They are doing jobs that pay very well, even if they are paying below what an American would receive to do the same work.

They are taking jobs, good paying jobs.

[investigateworld]

In my (mostly ill spent) yute, I worked construction during the summer months.
It was a lot tougher hot mopping a roof than clerking in a store at minimum wage, but the pay was 3 to 4x greater..

That's why I take offense about Dubya's slam at those of us that have done these jobs.

We are every bit as American as he is. In fact if he wants to sit down and compare DD214's, I'd be happy too.

[AppleButter]

The "we only need to enforce whats on the books now" arguement misses the point. Those laws are not working.

The laws we have are not working because our government CHOOSES not to enforce them. There is nothing unworkable about them.

The why isn`t as important as the fact that we can`t continue having borders that are like cheesecloth.

Please take a moment to ponder what you just said. OF COURSE the "why" is important. That is the basis of rationalism.

If it takes new laws, so be it.

A new law for every woe is usually the knee-jerk reaction of a liberal. Are you one?

[AppleButter]

I agree but the administration/Senate isn't going to consider any bill that doesn't at least include a guest-worker program.

Maybe not today, but the dynamics are changing day-by-day as Joe & Jane Suburbia wake up to the damage being done by out-of-control Third World immigration. Tomorrow, things will be different. In another couple of elections cycles, the floodgates will finally be closed. This is not the time to roll over and accept another screwing from the Cheap Labor Lobby. This is the time to dig in our heels and be completely unreasonable.

What are you going to do besides bark at the moon demanding total border enforcement that won't see the light of day?

You don't know anything about negotiating, do you? You always demand MORE than you think you can get, and you never compromise when the momentum is on your side -- and the momentum is clearly on the side of the immigration restrictionists.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

If you have any links that describe this guest worker plan that Tancredo proposed in 2003, please post them.

http://www.mnforsustain.org/immg_congressional_immigration_reform_tancredo.htm

Rep. Tom Tancredo’s Four-Point Plan for Immigration Control*

1. Secure our Nation’s Borders
2. Establish a Genuine Guest Worker Program
3. Improve “Interior Enforcement” of Immigration Laws
4. Remove Incentives for Illegal Immigration

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Tancredos guest workers could only apply from out of country and did not give current illegals a guaranteed slot in the program like Pence does.

Fact of the matter is that Tancredo supported a guest-worker plan that he now denounces. Fact: Pence's plan doesn't give illegals "a guaranteed slot."

Tancredo also required quest workers to return home when their term is up.

Uh, so does Pence...

Pence allows for citizenship. They are not the same.

Bull. Pence's proposal doesn't allow citizenship. I concede that Tancredo's plan is slightly better than Pence's.

Have you seen Pence and Hutchinsons new plan? That one is highly objectionable. It proposes a guest worker program that only people in the Americas can participate in. Complete with a path to citizenship.

There is no path to citizenship. Besides, how is it any different than foreigners applying for U.S. residency/citizenship without going through the guest-worker rigamarow?

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

You always demand MORE than you think you can get, and you never compromise when the momentum is on your side

How is Pence "compromising?"

HR 1147 is a prerequisite in the Pence plan. It secures the borders. Even with a strict border enforcement plan, there are going to be guest-workers.

[gaussia]

I dug up the details on the guest worker program that Tancredo proposed. It's very different from the Pence program. It amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to create a new nonimmigrant worker category and defines the guest worker as

an alien having a residence in a foreign country which the alien has no intention of abandoning who is coming temporarily to the United States to perform skilled or unskilled work

Some other salient points in the bill's language:

The period of authorized admission as such a nonimmigrant may not exceed 365 days during a 2-year period. Such visas may be renewed upon expiration of such 2-year period

Any alien who violates a term or condition of the alien's admission as a nonimmigrant under section 101(a)(15)(H) (of the amended INA), including failure to leave the United States at the termination of the period of authorized admission, shall be barred from receiving any immigrant or nonimmigrant visa for a period of 10 years Such a nonimmigrant may not be permitted to change or adjust to any other immigrant or nonimmigrant classification or status.

So, under Tancredo's proposal, the guest workers would come as temporary workers and would be required by law to leave the country at the end of their allotted term. By contrast, the guest workers under Pence's proposal would simply stay at the end of their term and apply for citizenship.

[gaussia]

That link to the bill won't work anymore

Try this:
http://www.govtrack.us/data/us/bills.text/108/h3534.pdf