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7/25 Middle East Live Thread
Middle East Live Thread ^ | 7/25/06 | me

Posted on 07/24/2006 10:53:04 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

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To: BurbankKarl

Another interesting post from SHIACHAT...
Things just keep proving that the American left are the Terrorists best friend......

"It is clear from the below report that the Israeli soldiers were only abducted and attacked after they ENTERED SOVERIGN LEBANESE TERRITORY. Therefore, according to ALL INTERNATIONAL LAW, Lebanon has the right to attack foreign soldiers who are making an aggresive military move into their SOVERIGN TERRITORY

What started the conflict was the ISRAELI BOMBARDMENT OF SOUTH BEIRUT, UNPROVOKED

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_solders.html

Just so we're all clear about this. Of course CNN, BBC, ABC, NBC, CBC, etc are not reporting this. It doesn't mean it is false, just mean we know whose pocket the above are in

But we knew that before, right

Another interesting link for today

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/24/1439247


661 posted on 07/25/2006 11:10:52 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Terrorism-You Reap What You Appease........)
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To: tcrlaf

DEBKAfile: Middle East war rhetoric escalates sharply with Rice’s exit from region

July 25, 2006, 8:57 PM (GMT+02:00)

Not surprisingly, the most extreme statement came from Iran: A Middle East storm is brewing and will strike violently, said the radical Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. “The use of force in Lebanon could trigger a hurricane.”

He spoke after Riyadh released an official statement from King Abdullah asserting: “If the peace option fails because of Israeli arrogance, there will be no option but a war in the region.” The Saudi king was uncharacteristically unrestrained in his speech after seeing the US secretary come and go without allaying the Lebanese crisis.

At around the same time as the statement from Riyadh, huge explosions struck Hizballah targets in South Beirut for the first time since US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice landed in the Middle East for talks in Beirut, Jerusalem and Ramallah. Israeli positions along the Lebanese border also came under heavy Hizballah mortar fire on Tuesday afternoon, coinciding with an Israeli air bombardment of Hizballah rocket sites in Tyre. The IDF began closing some strategic roads to the Lebanese border to civilian traffic.

Hopes had been entertained In Cairo and Riyadh that the visiting US secretary would voice some sort of reproof for Israel’s extensive military action in Lebanon and apply the brakes in her private talks with Ehud Olmert. Instead, no sooner had she departed when Israeli defense minister Amir Peretz announced that Israel is clearing a security zone in South Lebanon that will remain under IDF fire control unless a multinational force assumes responsibility.

Given the enormous, time-consuming difficulties facing the assembly of such a force, his statement was taken as the first avowal of Israel’s intentions beyond the military operation. The term “security zone” was uttered for the first time since the Hizballah attack of July 12 sparked the current crisis.

Privately, the pro-Western rulers in Riyadh, Cairo and Amman were cheering Israel’s offensive in the hope of its crippling the extremist Shiite Hizballah and dealing Tehran its comeuppance. But Peretz’s statement gave Arab rulers the pretext for ignoring the fact that Israel was defending itself against attack and reviving their age-old accusations of Israeli ambitions to seize Arab lands with American support.

It was rumored in Cairo that Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak plans to visit Syrian president Bashar Asad in Damascus this week to discuss the Lebanese crisis.


662 posted on 07/25/2006 11:11:10 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: AliVeritas

:-)
Well, probably just as 'confused' but they were wearing them Frenchie-looking blue berrets and marching... Funny indeed!


663 posted on 07/25/2006 11:11:22 AM PDT by elpinta (Never thought I would live in a Socialist country... but is getting close...)
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To: All

FYI, read it or weep
Document: Iraqi Dissident Talks About WMD Moved to Syria (Translation)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1671897/posts


664 posted on 07/25/2006 11:11:38 AM PDT by AliVeritas ("One for all , all for kicking *ss and taking names" ...Scratch taking names. Vlad fatwa)
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To: lentulusgracchus

When I watch films, I could care less about the writer/director agenda. And a lot of "real life" looks like made up stuff to me lately.


665 posted on 07/25/2006 11:12:27 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: SunkenCiv

My blood doesn't boil anymore over these things. They are too transparent.


667 posted on 07/25/2006 11:15:37 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: AliVeritas

This is getting verrry interesting.

"Iran is spending millions of dollars a day storing unwanted crude oil on ships, while at the same time preparing to slash its much-needed gasoline imports it says it can no longer afford.

Industry experts estimate the Islamic republic has for several months been storing close to 20 million barrels of crude oil on tankers, as there is a limited market for the heavier crude oil grades it produces."



Can't give the stuff away or hoarding?


668 posted on 07/25/2006 11:15:50 AM PDT by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamic Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)
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To: DCPatriot; Dog

So Dog - you gonna tell us all about your new digs?

Welcome to the world of the never-ending "to-do" list.

Congratulations!


669 posted on 07/25/2006 11:16:19 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: BurbankKarl

Wahhabi cleric in Saudi Arabia issues scathing fatwa against Hizbullah

A leading Wahhabi cleric in Saudi Arabia has issued a scathing fatwa against Hizbullah, Fox news reported. Sheik Abdullah bin Jabreen declares it against Muslim Sharia law to support, join, or even pray for the terror group, writing, "our advice to the Sunnis is to denounce them and shun those who join them to show their hostility to Islam and to the Muslims."

The New York Sun reports that the fatwa also condemns Iran for funding and supporting Hezbollah to further what Jabreen called its imperial ambitions. (Ynetnews)

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3279280,00.html


670 posted on 07/25/2006 11:16:23 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Terrorism-You Reap What You Appease........)
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To: BurbankKarl

After overwhelming the Hizballah stronghold of Bin Jubeil in southern Lebanon Tuesday July 25, Israeli armed ground forces and tanks are preparing to sweep forward to sanitize the town’s satellites.

Israel lost two tank personnel: 1st Lieutenant Lotan Slavin, 21 from Moshav Hatzeva, and 1st Sgt Kobi Smileg, 20, from Rehovot.

Hizballah is reported by IDF sources to have lost 100-120 Hizballah fighters.

Israel’s immediate military mission now is to capture or subdue Bin Jubeil’s five satellite villages, where 300 Hizballah fighters are sheltering: Ain Ebel, Hannine, Deble, Yaroun and Rmaich, the latter two very close to the Lebanese-Israeli border.

These fighters know they are trapped in a tight noose; they cannot escape or hope for help, whether in the form of reinforcements or weapons. Monday night, Israeli forces dropped leaflets over these villages offering them the option of laying down their arms and saving their lives. The language was deliberately vague. It was not clear whether the men who surrendered would be allowed to go back to their families or, more likely, taken prisoner to be held against the release of Israel’s kidnapped soldiers. The Olmert government would thus hold a card for overruling the Hizballah condition for jailed terrorists to be freed as the price for the Israeli hostages, which with Israeli prime minister has rejected, and offer instead an exchange of war prisoners.

The Bint Jubeil operation taught Israeli war planners three lessons:

1. It did not help reduce the rocket fire against Israel. The number of launchers and rockets found in the small town was minimal. Any missile crewmen who may have been deployed there had moved to other locations ahead of the Israeli assault.

2. Bin Jubeil and its satellite villages are only one small center at the southern end of the central sector of the south. There are dozens such clusters across the region. they will have to be flushed out one by one, entailing prolonged military action and exposing the troops to more casualties.

3. The IDF found that certain local elements, which once cooperated with Israel forces during their 24-year occupation of South Lebanon until the May 2000 withdrawal, were still willing to be helpful. Their assistance shortened the Bint Jubeil operation and made its completion possible barring scattered gunfire early Tuesday, July 25.

Hizballah too had some lessons to draw:

While inflicting losses on Israel forces in the battles for towns and villages, Hizballah’s losses are many times greater. They cannot stand up to the superior firepower leveled against them by a combination of tanks, special operations units and air force. Therefore fighters in the south have been instructed to discontinue face-to-face combat with Israeli troops. Instead, they were told to withdraw from the bult-up areas and wage guerrilla warfare from woods, forests, dry river beds, and fruit orchards. Israeli forces are therefore braced for stealthy Hizballah strikes from ambush against tanks, infantry and command posts.

Once they have cleansed the five villages around Bin Jubeil, Israeli war commanders face a choice of one out of three options, given the limitation of the small number of troops on the ground:

First: The Western Sector running from the orchards and banana groves south of Tyre which includes the Palestinian Rashidiya refugee camp up to Mansoura, where Hizballah has concentrated a large force, and including Burj a-Shamali and Zabqine, southeast of Tyre. This large enclave of southwestern Lebanon is saturated with Hizballah rockets launchers of different types and fighting strength.

Second: The Central Sector, which would entail the Israeli Bin Jubeil force heading north to take over Tebnine and deepening its thrust into South Lebanon up to 20 km from the Israeli border.

Third: The Eastern Sector, where Israeli forces would home in on Khiam on the road between the Israeli border town of Metula to the Lebanese village of Marjayoun which commands the Hatzbani River. From there, they way would be open to the Nabatiya plain and Hizballah’s main South Lebanon command center near the village of Taibe. Monday, morning, Israeli warplanes struck Nabatiya. Lebanese sources report seven people were killed.

DEBKAfile’s military sources describe the Hizballah command center as housed in a fort called Beck House which belongs to the As’ad clan, for many years the feudal lords of all southern Lebanon.

Whichever direction Israel’s high command chooses for the next stage of the war will necessitate proceeding at a slow pace, whether because of an insufficiency of men on the ground, the risks of troop and civilian casualties or the complexity of their missions. The snail’s pace of the IDF’s advance means that Hizballah’s rocket offensive against northern Israel cannot be completely disabled in the near term, and that Hassan Nasrallah and his overlords in Tehran and Syria have enough time to come up with fresh initiatives while topping up Hizballah’s resources as they are depleted.


671 posted on 07/25/2006 11:18:07 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: tcrlaf
20:45 Haifa police detain four people who took part in anti-war rally (Haaretz)

20:18 One person lightly hurt in Katyusha strike near Ma`alot (Channel 10)

20:01 Red Cross says some Lebanon villages still cut off from aid supplies (Reuters)

19:47 EU to lobby for international force to help Beirut disarm Hezbollah (Reuters)

19:38 Tory MP: IDF`s Lebanon raid reminiscent of Nazi atrocity on Warsaw ghetto (Agencies)

673 posted on 07/25/2006 11:18:23 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: tcrlaf

Just stumbled across this response to my previous, from a member of the "Religion of Peace" on Shiachat.....

"Already posted before. Those idiotic Wahbis, makes me want to go out and just slaughter them all."

Hmmmm.....


674 posted on 07/25/2006 11:19:10 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Terrorism-You Reap What You Appease........)
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To: Dinah Lord
Can't give the stuff away or hoarding?

Inventories are high all over the world. You couldn't tell that by the prices being paid though.

675 posted on 07/25/2006 11:19:39 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Allegra; Fitzcarraldo
Final word on those 25 Israeli soldiers (AND IT'S GOOD):

Jul. 25, 2006 14:14 | Updated Jul. 25, 2006 21:01

IDF kills Hizbullah commander in Maroun al-Ras By YAAKOV KATZ

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153291993055&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

As fighting in Maroun al-Ras came to a close on Tuesday, IDF troops killed five Hizbullah gunmen, including the movement's regional commander.

Several IDF soldiers were lightly wounded in the clashes and were evacuated under fire.

Earlier, Brigadier General of Division 91, Commander Gal Hirsch, revealed that troops operating in Bint Jbeil discovered war rooms with eavesdropping and surveillance equipment made by Iran, being used by Hizbullah against Israel.

They also found large cache of weapons and communications devices.

The IDF claimed to have killed some 50 gunmen in the two Hizbullah strongholds over the last two days.

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Note to those who haven't follwed all [ :-) ] the posts today.

Allegra reported earlier that a Lebanese radio station reported that 25 Israeli soldiers had been killed in an ambush. Since it didn't appear in any other news sources most of us thought it was pure propaganda, but then there appeared a short note in an article on JPost web-site that a group of IDF soldiers had been ambushed in Maroun al-Ras and ahd to be evacuated under fire. The extent of the damages or the number of injured were unknown. For a long time that was all that was known about this incident, but now any fears can be laid to rest. As usual it was wishful thinking or pure propaganda by the Arabs.

Fitzcarraldo: Look for additions to the "holy martyrs" list!

676 posted on 07/25/2006 11:21:43 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Teufelhunde
"The decision is politically sensitive and could easily trigger unrest."

One of the lines from your post. I am thinking this may cause Iran to create a diversion and what better diversion than war with Satan America/Israel? The leaders want to increase the subsidy and the parliament doesn't want to, afraid of what it will do the already high inflation rate. I think Abbababanejan finds himself in a dilemma.
677 posted on 07/25/2006 11:21:52 AM PDT by casino66 (A beater of dead horses.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

It's happened twice before, which is why alternative sources can't get funding...

The stockpiles are growing, while speculation and a "War Premium" are keeping prices high. When it collapses, prices will drop like a stone, sending speculators into a selling panic, driving prices even lower....

(Just in time for the 08' elections???)


678 posted on 07/25/2006 11:23:46 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Terrorism-You Reap What You Appease........)
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To: BurbankKarl

Let me get this straight: the Saudi king was upset because Condi didn't wave her magic wand and make this war go away? Or is that the media re-inventing his comments?


679 posted on 07/25/2006 11:24:20 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Teufelhunde

Thanks. Read that earlier link regarding the tankers but didn't see the link - trust but verify as Pres Reagan would say. LOL.

Have you been following the saga of the Iranian Oil Bourse?

Cheers - Dinah


680 posted on 07/25/2006 11:24:21 AM PDT by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamic Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)
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