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Illegal Dirty Little Secrets about Social Security By Herman Cain
Townhall.com ^ | Wednesday, July 19, 2006 | Herman Cain

Posted on 07/21/2006 8:13:53 PM PDT by K-oneTexas

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To: Just mythoughts

Yeah, pretty soon we'll have a civil servant for every private worker. Hang onto your wallet.


41 posted on 07/22/2006 1:07:07 PM PDT by Inkie (Attn Dems: Loose Lips Sink Ships -- but hey, I guess that's your goal))
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To: K-oneTexas
There's an error in the article...

Even though the EFS contains 246 million records of stolen or fraudulent Social Security numbers...

42 posted on 07/22/2006 1:07:58 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Inkie

Sorry, wasn't really a dig at you personally. Just the fact that there are more people working after 65 now more than ever before...because they cannot afford to quit/retire, and younger people suffer because of it.


43 posted on 07/22/2006 3:25:31 PM PDT by RasterMaster ("Big Tents" you get Clowns & Circus Freaks! The road to HELL is paved with LIEberals!)
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To: ancient_geezer

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44 posted on 07/22/2006 7:11:50 PM PDT by FBD
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To: Lurker
"I wonder how many prosecutions have happened using this information."

Laws only apply to citizens, not our betters from third-world countries.
45 posted on 07/22/2006 7:20:24 PM PDT by Peisistratus (O xein angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti tede...)
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To: Inkie

Yep.

Most people haven't taken the time to do the math, but just the education costs are ridiculous.

If an illegal alien has three kids that go to public school from K-12, the taxpayers have spent $500,000 -- half a million bucks -- putting those kids through school.

And because they are illegal, they'll never be able to hold a job that makes enough money to re-pay the State that much -- not in their lifetimes and not in their kids' lifetimes -- thru property taxes, State income taxes and State sales taxes.

Same with SS taxes. They might contribute some taxes here and there, but the jobs they'll be able to hold with the identity-theft or forged SS# schemes will not be high-paying jobs. That means the SS taxes paid will not be much.


46 posted on 07/24/2006 8:59:46 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. --Will Rogers)
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To: metalcor

And I'll bet because of labor laws and fear of being sued, you wouldn't tell that person's future employer that they'd been terminated for providing a false SS#, right ?

Most employers have taken the position that they won't do anything except confirm the dates of employment when somebody uses them as a reference. They won't tell the future prospective employer whether the person quit, was fired, or why they were fired.

That's undoubtedly why there are 246 million ESF records -- these illegals get caught, but they just go out and find another job using a new a different forged SS#.


47 posted on 07/24/2006 9:04:21 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. --Will Rogers)
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To: K-oneTexas
Illegal aliens who work under stolen or fraudulent Social Security numbers will never receive Social Security benefits, so the hundreds of billions of dollars they contribute

Seems to ignore the fact that this largess only marginally offsets the other economic factors; free education, free health care, under reported income and payroll taxes, other local social services, uninsured motorists, just to name a few.

48 posted on 07/24/2006 9:11:48 AM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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To: metalcor

The lack of an actual verification against a database was a great flaw in the 1986 law which supposedly required proof of a valid SS card to obtain work.

I think one of the best steps that could be taken at the State level would be to change their Driver's Licenses and ID Cards to an RF ID card. Encrypted and unduplicatable, and checked against the database to verify it is active. Then change their own State employment laws to require that this form of ID be used before any person can be hired.

I'd actually like to see it used like a FasTrak pass is used for toll lanes on highways, too. Every underpass could check that it gets a valid signal bounced back from every car that passes. If no signal from an RF Driver's License, then the nearest Highway Patrol could pull the person over, and if no valid Driver's License, impound the vehicle. Sell vehicles to pay for the system. Get unlicensed drivers -- including illegals -- off our highways. In Southern California, this would probably save billions in highway expansion that would no longer be necessary.


49 posted on 07/24/2006 9:16:21 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. --Will Rogers)
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