Darwin's Beagle ship replica plan [for his 200th birthday]

BBC News ^ | 19 July 2006 | Staff

[PatrickHenry]

Everybody be nice.

[PatrickHenry]

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[Dixie Yooper]

I guess spending millions of dollars to preserve Lawrence Welk's birthplace doesn't sound like such a waste of money now.
Will the new Beagle be ADA accessible? Darwin would want it to evolve in to something everyone can enjoy from stem to stern.

[Vaquero]

'Beagle' alongside of replica

[HereInTheHeartland]

" Darwin would want it to evolve in to something everyone can enjoy from stem to stern."

Funny.
With that in mind, the new Beagle needs to be nuclear powered and have stealth capability.

[Dixie Yooper]

I watched some of (as much as I could stand) a documentary about Darwin which told about his father buying his way on to the ship. He was an oddball that the captain did not get along with. In other words, a spoiled rich boy who didn't want to or have to work for a living. A real champion of today's left.

[tomzz]

What about the 200,000,000 people who've been killed by doctrines based on Darwins ideas? They gonna build any sort of a monument for them?

[PeteB570]

I went to see the other one when it came through Wilmington, NC many years back.

They gave a nice tour. Small ship, lots of people and ship's stores.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"I watched some of (as much as I could stand) a documentary about Darwin which told about his father buying his way on to the ship."

He got on board from the recommendation of the well known botanist the Reverend John Henslow. Darwin's father actually objected to the voyage.

"He was an oddball that the captain did not get along with."

Actually, they got along quite well, unless they were talking about slavery, which Darwin abhorred and the Captain enthusiastically approved of. Darwin was well liked by many people throughout his life, and was considered a fine Victorian gentleman.

"In other words, a spoiled rich boy who didn't want to or have to work for a living."

Not at all. He worked extremely hard most of his life, when he didn't have to and he was wracked with a debilitating physical ailment that kept him bed ridden for large parts of the day.

"A real champion of today's left."

Not at all. In fact, he was a more conservative than most of today's *conservatives*.

You need to do some better research about the man before you attack him so poorly.

[saganite]

Presumably the ship will be intelligently designed which should make the fundies happy. On the other hand, ship design has evolved since Darwin's day so today's Beagle may be fundamentally more adapted to a modern environment. I've heard the designers will be able to incorporate the new design elements in as little as 6 days. That will allow them to rest on the 7th day.

[dmz]

What about the 200,000,000 people who've been killed by doctrines based on Darwins ideas? They gonna build any sort of a monument for them?
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Oh please.

I thought people had evolved beyond that ridiculous assertion.

A description of biological processes is not a formula for communism, socialism, or nazism. Grow up.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Huh?! Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were all devout Darwinists."

None of them did what they did because of Darwin.

"Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life,..."

The *races* in the title were not human races, and the book didn't deal with human evolution. Races was another name for variety or subspecies. He was talking about races of ANIMALS, not people. If you had actually read the book this wouldn't need to be said.

"as well as Hitler with his whacko Aryanism."

Hitler's Ayan obsession had nothing at all to do with Darwin. He thought the Aryan race was the perfect special creation of God. He never read Darwin, at all.

Stalin had Darwinian evolutionists imprisoned or killed.

"The number of people who died at the hands of Darwin's disciples is staggering...and tragic."

Except... they didn't die because of him or his theory, which does not support mass murder. It's about biological change. That's it. Your attacks on it with the logical fallacy of the consequences will not change the validity of the theory.

[The Red Zone]

"I know the effect a square rigger has on young people - it's a jaw dropping site.

SIGHT! Not site! SIGHT! SIGHT! SIGHT!

[CarolinaGuitarman]

Nobody was killed because of Darwin. You are completely wrong, Mr. Holden.

[doc30]

What about the 200,000,000 people who've been killed by doctrines based on Darwins ideas? They gonna build any sort of a monument for them?

You do not know what you are talking about. Under socialism, particularly in the Soviet Union and Communist China, evolution was thought to be counter-revolutionary and it was completely banned. It was viewed as essentially capitalistic where the strong take advantage of the weak.

There is no connection with Hitler. In fact, Hitler never talked about biological evolution, but strongly believed in divine Creation, in particular of the Aryan peoples. Hitler said he was doing the Creator's will by eliminating subhuman and mixed races.

You need to quit reading creationist propaganda. Socialism and Nazism were not inspired in any way by evolution.

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2437/nazis.htm

[dmz]

I'll not pile on too much, but your reading of the book title is ridiculously in error.

[doc30]

It really is scary when Creationists unknowingly align themselves with the likes of Stalin and Hitler in their views of evolution. When they make such comments, they don't know that their views of evolution are similar to the worst mass murderers in history. Stalin banned evolution and imprisoned or executed scientists for studying evolution. Hitler used special creation as an excuse for his racist bloodlust. Do you think tomzz actually realizes his comments are the antithesis of his beliefs?

[Skooz]

An exact replica of a Nelson era Royal Navy frigate would be a thousand times cooler.