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Hizballah Brings out Iranian Silkworm to Hit Israel Navy Corvette
DEBKA file ^ | July 15, 2006, 1:37 PM (GMT+02:00) | DEBKAfile Exclusive Military Analysis

Posted on 07/15/2006 4:21:36 AM PDT by Oeconomicus

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To: tlb

"Fairly small gunboats" don't have helicopter decks. They also don't survive a Silkworm strike.

Eilat (Saar V) class large missile corvettes

Displacement: 1,275 tons full load
Dimensions: 86.4 x 11.9 x 3.2 meters (283.5 x 39 x 10.5 feet)
Propulsion: 2 shafts; 2 cruise diesels, 6,600 bhp, 20 knots; 1 LM2500
boost gas turbine, 23,000 shp, 33 knots
Crew: 74
Aviation: aft helicopter deck and hangar; 1 Dauphin helicopter
Radar: TPS-44 3-D air search
Sonar: Type 796 hull, towed array
Fire Control: 2 M-2221
EW: NS 9003 intercept/jammer, 4 SRBOC, SLQ-25 Nixie
Armament: 8 Harpoon SSM, 64 VL Barak SAM, 1 20 mm
Phalanx CIWS, 2 20 mm AA, 2 triple 12.75 inch torpedo tubes
Heavily armed multirole corvettes, built in USA.
Combat systems fitted in Israel after delivery. Some
planned weapons were not installed due to topweight problems.
Can serve as 'leaders' for smaller FACs.

Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes
501 Eilat 1994 MED Haifa
502 Lahav 1994 MED Haifa
503 Hanit 1995 MED Haifa


If this was a Silkworm strike, I've got to think the CIWS wasn't activated, and that the Israelis didn't foresee this threat.


41 posted on 07/15/2006 4:54:51 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: ken5050

That is what I was thinking- if it weren't a DIRECT hit..

FOX reporting that there are about 100 Iranians on the ground assisting Hizbollah...so the know how and expertise is there.


42 posted on 07/15/2006 4:55:54 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: wolfcreek
That puts a new light on things. The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards have had a presence in Lebanon since the early 80s. Much of Hezbollah's sophistication comes from Iranian training, know how and equipment. Clearly, they are no ordinary run of the mill riff-raff terrorists. It would be accurate to describe them as a proxy Iranian army division.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap Down Em Hezbullies!)

43 posted on 07/15/2006 4:56:24 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: dennisw

" will use silkworms against oil tankers"

Exactly. Another Tanker war.


44 posted on 07/15/2006 4:57:24 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (Loose lips sink ships and the NYT is the Bermuda triangle.)
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bttt


45 posted on 07/15/2006 4:57:56 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: mariabush

"Does these mean all out war???"

This means that Iran has been planning this scenario to egg Israel into this fight. Before this is over, Israel will have to attack Iran directly using nukes.


46 posted on 07/15/2006 4:59:15 AM PDT by RouxStir (No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: dennisw

No reflagging this time. Time for Praying Mantis II.


47 posted on 07/15/2006 5:00:08 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (Loose lips sink ships and the NYT is the Bermuda triangle.)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

Fear not...The US Navy has been preparing for this over the past couple of decades. Those sites will be smoking holes within minutes.


48 posted on 07/15/2006 5:00:08 AM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: goldstategop

Well said. Certainly Israel will develop counter-measures, but Hezbollah has certainly earned Israels respect at least militarily.


49 posted on 07/15/2006 5:00:48 AM PDT by baltoga
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To: goldstategop

By its own admission, Hezbollah claimed to have planned the kidnapping raid five months in advance. The Arabs' problem with warfare really hasn't been so much with the planning and even the execution of a plan (assuming rehersals), it's been with what happens after the plan or when a variable throws a kink into the plan that's been the problem-junior Arabs leaders don't take the initiative and aren't taught to act for themselves.

That said, if Hezbollah's been trained by the Iranians, maybe they got that problem worked out.

Look at the 1973 war with Israel, particularly with the Egyptians. Their invasion of Sinai went so well that it took them by surprise. But what to do after that? Eventually, they again went of the offensive because the Syrians asked them to, but now Israel was prepared, and Ariel Sharon and co. trapped them in the desert (at least that's the way I understand it).

Tlb, I would've thought a silkworm would have caused more damage as well. Do you know if the missile has to be armed or something. Using the Falklands example, I know there were numerous British ships which were struck by inert ordnance because of the way the Argentines had to deliver their payloads. I'm thinking either the missile was a dud, the Hezbollah folk using it failed to arm the missile, it wasn't a missile, but a drone as first reported, or the silkworm's weaker than it's cracked up to be.


50 posted on 07/15/2006 5:00:48 AM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: Victor; justa-hairyape; katagious

>>Wonder if Israel has the equivalent of Ohio Class submarines? Or even Los Angeles class?

Nothing even close. But there is some talk of them managing to mod their Harpoons into a nuclear-tipped land-attack version, to give them a rudimentary second-strike capability.

Submarines

Dolphin class (Type 800) coastal submarines

Displacement: 1,720 tons submerged
Dimensions: 57 x 6.8 x 6.2 meters (187 x 22.5 x 20.5 feet)
Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 3 diesels, 1 shaft, 4,243 shp, 20 knots
Crew: 35
Sonar: ???
Armament: 6 21 inch torpedo tubes (16 torpedoes & Harpoon SSM)
German-built.

Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes
-- Dolphin 1999 MED Haifa
-- Leviathan 1999 MED Haifa
-- Tekuma 2000 MED Haifa


51 posted on 07/15/2006 5:02:00 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: familyop

Do you have a news link on the leaflet drops? I'd like to have that to show some others.


52 posted on 07/15/2006 5:04:24 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Constantine XI Palaeologus

Never mind, I just read in another post that the missile hit the stern. Maybe that's why the damage was not as bad as it could've been.


53 posted on 07/15/2006 5:04:58 AM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: Oeconomicus
Western credibility is shattered when we claim that state sponsors of terrorism will be held responsible, then we run away from confrontations with Iran and Syria.

Either s***, or get off the pot.


BUMP

54 posted on 07/15/2006 5:05:52 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: FreedomPoster

What's a Harpoon? Cruise missile?


55 posted on 07/15/2006 5:06:15 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: FreedomPoster

Israel warns Beirut civilians [Leaflets warned them away from Hezbollah targets.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1666134/posts


56 posted on 07/15/2006 5:06:22 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: ken5050

Why would they have had to smuggle it?

They could have flown it right in.


57 posted on 07/15/2006 5:06:23 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: familyop

Thanks.


58 posted on 07/15/2006 5:06:43 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: FreedomPoster

That's about one of the drops. There were others.


59 posted on 07/15/2006 5:07:00 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: Oeconomicus

A caller to Michael Savage said the missile that hit the Israeli warship was not guided but simply fired, like an artillery shell. That way the sophisticated missile defenses couldn't deal with it.

It way be that the caller had the wrong missile, though, if this report is true. This report says it skimmed the water like a cruise missile. That doesn't sound like a fired projectile.


60 posted on 07/15/2006 5:08:50 AM PDT by RoadTest (Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, and this be our motto: in God is our trust.)
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