Posted on 07/15/2006 4:21:36 AM PDT by Oeconomicus
"Fairly small gunboats" don't have helicopter decks. They also don't survive a Silkworm strike.
Eilat (Saar V) class large missile corvettes
Displacement: 1,275 tons full load
Dimensions: 86.4 x 11.9 x 3.2 meters (283.5 x 39 x 10.5 feet)
Propulsion: 2 shafts; 2 cruise diesels, 6,600 bhp, 20 knots; 1 LM2500
boost gas turbine, 23,000 shp, 33 knots
Crew: 74
Aviation: aft helicopter deck and hangar; 1 Dauphin helicopter
Radar: TPS-44 3-D air search
Sonar: Type 796 hull, towed array
Fire Control: 2 M-2221
EW: NS 9003 intercept/jammer, 4 SRBOC, SLQ-25 Nixie
Armament: 8 Harpoon SSM, 64 VL Barak SAM, 1 20 mm
Phalanx CIWS, 2 20 mm AA, 2 triple 12.75 inch torpedo tubes
Heavily armed multirole corvettes, built in USA.
Combat systems fitted in Israel after delivery. Some
planned weapons were not installed due to topweight problems.
Can serve as 'leaders' for smaller FACs.
Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes
501 Eilat 1994 MED Haifa
502 Lahav 1994 MED Haifa
503 Hanit 1995 MED Haifa
If this was a Silkworm strike, I've got to think the CIWS wasn't activated, and that the Israelis didn't foresee this threat.
That is what I was thinking- if it weren't a DIRECT hit..
FOX reporting that there are about 100 Iranians on the ground assisting Hizbollah...so the know how and expertise is there.
(Go Israel, Go! Slap Down Em Hezbullies!)
" will use silkworms against oil tankers"
Exactly. Another Tanker war.
bttt
"Does these mean all out war???"
This means that Iran has been planning this scenario to egg Israel into this fight. Before this is over, Israel will have to attack Iran directly using nukes.
No reflagging this time. Time for Praying Mantis II.
Fear not...The US Navy has been preparing for this over the past couple of decades. Those sites will be smoking holes within minutes.
Well said. Certainly Israel will develop counter-measures, but Hezbollah has certainly earned Israels respect at least militarily.
By its own admission, Hezbollah claimed to have planned the kidnapping raid five months in advance. The Arabs' problem with warfare really hasn't been so much with the planning and even the execution of a plan (assuming rehersals), it's been with what happens after the plan or when a variable throws a kink into the plan that's been the problem-junior Arabs leaders don't take the initiative and aren't taught to act for themselves.
That said, if Hezbollah's been trained by the Iranians, maybe they got that problem worked out.
Look at the 1973 war with Israel, particularly with the Egyptians. Their invasion of Sinai went so well that it took them by surprise. But what to do after that? Eventually, they again went of the offensive because the Syrians asked them to, but now Israel was prepared, and Ariel Sharon and co. trapped them in the desert (at least that's the way I understand it).
Tlb, I would've thought a silkworm would have caused more damage as well. Do you know if the missile has to be armed or something. Using the Falklands example, I know there were numerous British ships which were struck by inert ordnance because of the way the Argentines had to deliver their payloads. I'm thinking either the missile was a dud, the Hezbollah folk using it failed to arm the missile, it wasn't a missile, but a drone as first reported, or the silkworm's weaker than it's cracked up to be.
>>Wonder if Israel has the equivalent of Ohio Class submarines? Or even Los Angeles class?
Nothing even close. But there is some talk of them managing to mod their Harpoons into a nuclear-tipped land-attack version, to give them a rudimentary second-strike capability.
Submarines
Dolphin class (Type 800) coastal submarines
Displacement: 1,720 tons submerged
Dimensions: 57 x 6.8 x 6.2 meters (187 x 22.5 x 20.5 feet)
Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 3 diesels, 1 shaft, 4,243 shp, 20 knots
Crew: 35
Sonar: ???
Armament: 6 21 inch torpedo tubes (16 torpedoes & Harpoon SSM)
German-built.
Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes
-- Dolphin 1999 MED Haifa
-- Leviathan 1999 MED Haifa
-- Tekuma 2000 MED Haifa
Do you have a news link on the leaflet drops? I'd like to have that to show some others.
Never mind, I just read in another post that the missile hit the stern. Maybe that's why the damage was not as bad as it could've been.
Either s***, or get off the pot.
BUMP
What's a Harpoon? Cruise missile?
Israel warns Beirut civilians [Leaflets warned them away from Hezbollah targets.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1666134/posts
Why would they have had to smuggle it?
They could have flown it right in.
Thanks.
That's about one of the drops. There were others.
A caller to Michael Savage said the missile that hit the Israeli warship was not guided but simply fired, like an artillery shell. That way the sophisticated missile defenses couldn't deal with it.
It way be that the caller had the wrong missile, though, if this report is true. This report says it skimmed the water like a cruise missile. That doesn't sound like a fired projectile.
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