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To: kellynla

I am going to go against the grain at FR and be happy about this.

I agree fully that greater enforcement is necessary, but a wall is a terrible idea.

It is not just a tool, but also a symbol. It would be a sign of American isolationism and a closing off to the world.

It would further erode America's image in the world. And, I am not talking about war on terror type of anti-Americanism, but rather the United States as a beacon of hope and freedom and openness.

Once again, the immigration problem needs to be addressed with greater enforcement. But I beleive a border fence is the wrong way to do it. I am glad that 79 Senators agreed.

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3 posted on 07/14/2006 5:46:57 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit ("my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side" - Lincoln)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
It would further erode America's image in the world.

LOL! Actually, the opposite is true. Currently, no one respects our borders. If we actually enforced our borders, then our borders would be respected. That would improve our image in the world.

67 posted on 07/14/2006 7:20:38 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I suppose you leave your front door unlocked all night, right?


82 posted on 07/14/2006 9:30:22 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Liberalism's main product is Destruction and Death.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Once again, the immigration problem needs to be addressed with greater enforcement.

And you can be sure that any attempt toward greater enforcement will be nixed as well. They won't fund those either. Nothing will happen, nothing. I guarantee it.
There are few in congress who have the guts to put country first.


88 posted on 07/14/2006 10:05:17 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Do you have a fence in your backyard?

Does your neighbor have a fence?


89 posted on 07/14/2006 10:05:17 AM PDT by tennmountainman (o)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
"It is not just a tool, but also a symbol. It would be a sign of American isolationism and a closing off to the world. "

a wall also says....." our country is so grand that you need permission to come in".....

don't most nations in the world have some kind of barriers on their borders, especially where you have millions crossing over without permission and staying without permission....no other country in the world would put up with that.....

and how many people do you want stationed down there anyway?....it would take hundreds of thousands of troops to adequately protect our borders.....

105 posted on 07/14/2006 11:56:45 AM PDT by cherry (.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Now I'm going to assume that you're a nice person, obey law and get along fabulously with your neighbors. Maybe you even borrow each others tools on occasion - so I'll ask: I'm going to assume that the answer to all the 'lock' questions is "YES". And we know why fences have "Gates" - so access can be controlled - by the owner, YOU. Considering the aforementioned I'm sure none of that has any effect on how your neighbors think of you. I bet they still feel you're a nice person.

However, the only people who would take offense at you using your locks and gate would be someone who wants to get access to your 'stuff' in a less than legal way. Those people are called criminals, and no law abiding person gives a SHIT what criminals thinks.

A country and its borders, and those who violate them are the same as a criminal and your property - only on a larger scale.

Now as to 'world opinion' - screw em. By 'world opinion' I mean Europe (they think they are 'the world'). They're stuck in a socialist hell hole called the EU so they take their anger, envy really, out on the greatest country IN the world. And it pisses them off to no end that we don't need them but they need us.

109 posted on 07/14/2006 1:07:49 PM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I don't care what the rest of the world thinks about the U.S. I think very little about the rest of the world. It is full of the darkness of socialism and communism or just plain klepotcrapism.

Who cares. Defend the border, build a wall and keep the islamokazis out.


121 posted on 07/14/2006 9:35:21 PM PDT by steveyp
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
It is not just a tool, but also a symbol. It would be a sign of American isolationism and a closing off to the world.

Silly.

Effective border fencing would be a sign that America cares to continue existing and that it will not go silently into the night of involuntary merger with the third world.

123 posted on 07/14/2006 9:46:33 PM PDT by RodgerD (Reject the Democrat's Migration Explosion Act of 2006. No to 70 million new third-world aliens.)
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"There was the security of our borders to think about, and the questions of our economy's ability to absorb an endless flow of refugees: If Communism prevailed in Latin America, it would end any hope of achieving the social and economic progress needed to bring prosperity to the region; and this would accellerate the flow of illegal immigrants who, propelled by poverty, were already overwhelming welfare agencies and schools in some parts of our nation." An American Life p. 473. ------Ronald Reagan

"[H]e was not the accused standing in a dock and I was not a prosecutor, and that I had no right to bring up domestic matters of the Soviet Union. In fact, he said, a proposal then current in Washington D.C. to buld a fence along the Mexican border was as bad as anything the Soviets had ever done.
I replied that the fence was meant to stop illegal immigration by people who wanted to join our society because it offered democratic and economic opportunities--that was hardly the same thing as building the Berlin Wall, which imprisoned people in a social system they didn't want to be part of."
An American Life ------Ronald Reagan

131 posted on 07/14/2006 11:04:52 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" - Benjamin Rush)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

It is not just a tool, but also a symbol. It would be a sign of American isolationism and a closing off to the world.




With respect, the wall is a symbol that we are a country not a shopping center to be wandered into.


137 posted on 07/14/2006 11:34:33 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Is the senate playing a cat and mouse game with their constituents, again? The Senate voted 83-16 to build a fence along high-traffic areas of the border with Mexico and in the same vote directed 500 miles of vehicle barriers to be built along the border. But 27 Republican senators backed away from their commitment, begging off due to lack of funds. Senator Sessions reaffirmed what most Americans already know about the Senate..they aren't just incompetent, they are dealing from the bottom of the deck.

The fence is not a sign of American isolationism, but a necessary tool for undermanned border control to keep "the outside world" from entering illegaly. Our "image" to the world is weak if we can't determine who will become citizens and enforce our immigration laws. We say the 'rule of law ' protects our freedom and prosperity. But symbolic laws and selectively enforced laws are a slippery slope to poverty, if not tyranny and anarchy.


141 posted on 07/15/2006 3:15:06 AM PDT by parousia
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