Posted on 07/14/2006 5:42:08 AM PDT by kellynla
Another day, another reason for term limits & the line item veto!
I've never seen so much incompetence in my life!
No wonder these clowns stay in Congress,
outside of lobbying, they couldn't get a job anywhere else!
I am going to go against the grain at FR and be happy about this.
I agree fully that greater enforcement is necessary, but a wall is a terrible idea.
It is not just a tool, but also a symbol. It would be a sign of American isolationism and a closing off to the world.
It would further erode America's image in the world. And, I am not talking about war on terror type of anti-Americanism, but rather the United States as a beacon of hope and freedom and openness.
Once again, the immigration problem needs to be addressed with greater enforcement. But I beleive a border fence is the wrong way to do it. I am glad that 79 Senators agreed.
Abestos underwear on. BBS
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Doing the math that fence would cost about $174.74 per foot.
Remember, there's more than one strand of wire, the supports are well fastened to concrete or stone, it's anywhere from 12 to 20 feet high, consists of "wall" in many places, and will be constructed in some of the harshest environments in the world ~ as provided by the Gran Sonora, Earth's oldest desert.
So,no, it's not being made out of Platinum.
That's silly. Fences (and walls) make good neighbors.
wall? what friggin' wall?
these clowns are talking about spending $1.8 BILLION for a friggin' Fence!
and if you don't think barriers work,
then why the hell do we bother having one at the WH?
hmmmmmmmmm....
bttt
Accounting for inflation, degree of difficulty (constructed in urban vs. rura areas on the sides of mountains, etc.), the fence/wall cost of $1.8 billion looks to be comparable.
This just shows how much of a joke Congress is. I heard about the 'NO' on funding on Fox.
Aren't you concerned with the "image" this portrays to the American people ~ that it's OK to wall them in, but not wall the Mexicans out?
I believe some sort of barrier is probably a lot more effective than what we have now. I am all for a suitable fence, especially in high traffic areas.
I think this is just a case of typical political crap.
Tell the folks at home in english you voted for the fence--and in spanish you stopped it by denying funding.
Perhaps you should have read the article before posting...
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"...Kris Kobach, who was a counsel to the attorney general under John Ashcroft, told a House subcommittee last week that one of the most unusual aspects of the Senate bill is a provision -- slipped into the more-than-800-page bill moments before the final vote -- that would require the United States to consult with the Mexican government before constructing the fencing.
"I know of no other provision in U.S. law where the federal government requires state and local governments -- every state and local government on the border -- to consult with state and local governments of a foreign power before the federal government can act," he said.
"Now, from my experience as a Justice Department official, when we had consultation requirements with the State Department, just getting two agencies in the executive branch to consult took months or years," ...If you add this, three levels of government and a foreign power, your delay" will never end. "
excuse me but read the piece again...
they're not talking about 1200 miles of fence,
they are talking about 370 miles.
LOL. I won't blast on your for your opinions. But I will point out the following...
From the article-
Kris Kobach, who was a counsel to the attorney general under John Ashcroft, told a House subcommittee last week that one of the most unusual aspects of the Senate bill is a provision -- slipped into the more-than-800-page bill moments before the final vote -- that would require the United States to consult with the Mexican government before constructing the fencing.
Given the above excerpt, it is reasonable to surmise that not all of the 79 senators voted against the fence for the reasons you stated.
What amazes me (frustrates is a better word) is the amount of BS that goes into these constructing these bills. Common sense is dead to these people.
Besides, it's not 370 miles ~ it's also 500 miles of "vehicle barriers". Plus, there's stuff already built and it's supposed to be "improved", but that mileage, which is considerable, is not part of the mileage estimates.
In any case, some of the border consists of mountains where no new fence will be built (although you'd better believe someone in congress will figure out why billybob's fence company in Mexicali needs to go out there and hang wire off a rockface.)
28 Republicans, including the leadership, vote not to support Senator Sessions' amendment funding a fence. Ben Nelson- D Nebraska votes to support Sessions. The Ringling Bros., Barnum and Bailey circus continues its long run in the Senate chamber.
Who are the republicans that voted against it.
We need names.
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