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Collapsed Concrete Ceiling Tiles Served No Structural Purpose (Ted Williams Tunnel)
Howie Carr ^ | 7/12/06 | Howie Carr

Posted on 07/12/2006 11:26:51 AM PDT by Aquinasfan

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To: finnman69

Good photo. I'd like to see one of a section JUST before it's poured, though. I think there's probably more steel in place at that point.

Still, looking at this, it's easy to see how they could have installed hangers at this point, or at least hanger anchors. I mean, it would be a regular grid, so it could have been dealt with in the support under the rebar used for pouring.

Amazing that they didn't do this, it seems to me. Bad engineering...no question about it.


81 posted on 07/12/2006 1:06:53 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Aesthethics.

I used to work in a place that was a recycled factory, with loads of ducts and pipes running all over. Someone got the bright idea to paint them all bright, cheery colors. It actually looked good!

82 posted on 07/12/2006 1:06:56 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: Fresh Wind

"I used to work in a place that was a recycled factory, with loads of ducts and pipes running all over. Someone got the bright idea to paint them all bright, cheery colors. It actually looked good!"

Yeah. All those old factories and warehouses being converted into loft condos do the same thing. I've always found it amusing to visit someone who lives in one of these condos. They pay huge bucks to live in a place with exposed waste plumbing and more. I've spent a lot hiding that stuff in the basement of my house.


83 posted on 07/12/2006 1:08:49 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: Alberta's Child
I think he should keep his mouth shut and wait until he learns something from someone other than an "unnamed source."

I expect the obstacle to that is that all the sources with first-hand knowledge of the matter don't want to be named, since they'd prefer to stay alive than be knocked off by the union/mob for "ratting".

84 posted on 07/12/2006 1:12:44 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: MineralMan

Apparently they started using sleeves like this for tunnel sections that were not yet cast.

http://www.simpsonanchors.com/Catalog/mechanical/blue-banger/index.html


85 posted on 07/12/2006 1:16:27 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: MineralMan

There was no coordination on the early sections. They designed the ceiling independently from the tunnel roof.


86 posted on 07/12/2006 1:17:41 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Peach

RINO Ryan, the disgraced and convicted ex-governor of Illinois, got into real trouble when a truck driver who'd bribed him, directly or indirectly, got into a fatal accident in Wisconsin that killed a whole family. Except for the eternally charmed Swimmer, a fatality often changes everything and leads to a genuine investigation with genuine accountability for the perps. Let's hope it happens here. Of course, the final consequence might be that the whole Big Dig gets shut down be foe major parts collapse, killing thousands, because of shoddy construction.


87 posted on 07/12/2006 1:19:45 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper

I worked in CT as a commercial investment analyst; we only got involved in huge projects ($20M and up, mostly up).

Massachusetts was one of my territories and so we followed the Big Dig for years because anything that happened to the project affected commercial building projects in Boston.

The graft and absolute corruption went on for so long and so visibly, that I realized the entire legislature must be benefiting in some way by turning a blind eye. It's one of the biggest rip offs I've ever seen.


88 posted on 07/12/2006 1:25:57 PM PDT by Peach (Prayers for our friends in India.)
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To: finnman69

"There was no coordination on the early sections. They designed the ceiling independently from the tunnel roof.
"

Clever, that. For Pete's sake.


89 posted on 07/12/2006 1:27:06 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: DAC21
The panels served the purpose of padding contracts and profits at the tax payer expense. Mass. is used to it.

More fodder to confirm that the tunnel was misnamed.
90 posted on 07/12/2006 1:28:34 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: MineralMan
Epoxy is no better, or stronger, than the materials it is
binding to.
If they are friable ..... down it goes.
91 posted on 07/12/2006 2:14:45 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Aquinasfan
"I know that epoxy can be stronger than steel, so that wasn't necessarily the problem."

No, it can't.

92 posted on 07/12/2006 2:54:41 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Mohhamed drank urine from female pigs.)
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To: ncountylee

Maybe a catwalk above the panels, with lots of headroom? That would make for an even bigger bore, at an even more outrageously expensive cost, with ever so much more room for payoffs, bribes, graft, theft....


93 posted on 07/12/2006 3:13:06 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Mohamophages of the world, unite!)
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To: MineralMan
If they had just designed the hangers into the original reinforcement design, all of this would have been avoided.

If the "dead" space was needed for exhaust reasons, as mentioned, hanger straps would automatically been designed in. The whole thing sounds like a poorly conceived "make work" project.

94 posted on 07/12/2006 3:22:21 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Aquinasfan

Make work, you got that right. US taxpayers paid for that crap. Not Massachusetts taxpayers


95 posted on 07/12/2006 3:24:15 PM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok.)
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To: jwalsh07

When will the next ones fall?


96 posted on 07/12/2006 3:36:09 PM PDT by OldEagle (May you live long enough to hear the legends of your own adventures.)
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To: OldEagle
My prediction? Every concrete panel hung by unistrut anchored by epoxy threaded rod will be removed and inspected. Then they will do one of two things. Add horizontal members or discard the concrete panels entirely.

But remember, I'm just a blue collar guy.:-}

97 posted on 07/12/2006 4:01:49 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

Who will be held responsible for this fiasco?


98 posted on 07/12/2006 4:11:24 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: AGreatPer; Torie
Nobody is my guess. Massachusetts is a one party state and there are so many dirty hands that in the end some subcontractor will get scapegoat tatooed on his ample forehead.

Really the only hope for full disclosure here is in the civil courts. If the lawyers for the woman who died are not just in it for a fast buck and refuse to settle, all kinds of things will surface. If not, I doubt anything of substance will happen.

99 posted on 07/12/2006 4:17:08 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Froufrou
Is it merely coincidence that the namesake of the tunnel also has no structural support?

It is true that Ted Williams got no support. Had the Red Sox had decent pitching, Ted could have had at least three World Series titles.

100 posted on 07/12/2006 4:17:14 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I think Randy Travis must be paying his bills on home computer by now)
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