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Man who awoke from coma raises new questions about death of Terri Schiavo
.theindiancatholic. ^ | July 7 06 | the indian catholic

Posted on 07/09/2006 7:59:40 PM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: chadwimc
She's gonna help me reach the other side.

Am I following you here? Your wife will use her revolver to put you out of "your misery". So she's willing to risk spending the rest of her life in prison? C'mon!

42 posted on 07/09/2006 11:45:51 PM PDT by IIntense
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To: IIntense

Bishop Lynch (St. Petersburg, FL) took an anti-life stance in this case.

To add insult to injury, Michael Schiavo and Jody Centonze were married in a Catholic Church, once he won his case to have Terry, his wife, starved to death.

My, my. What to think.


I would toss it up to a bad priest. There are bad people in every profession.


43 posted on 07/10/2006 12:02:18 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: darren7171
...the 'public tit"!

???

Investigate all the people the public (taxpayers) supports and decide which of them should be put to death. The amount of money saved would be astronomical..BUT...would the government find ways to use it...or put it right back in the pockets of those who earned it?

BTW, I am not proposing this as an answer.

44 posted on 07/10/2006 12:07:01 AM PDT by IIntense
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To: darren7171
Well, think of it in a practical matter: if she would have been alive, she would STILL be on the 'public tit'! And I- as a Florida taxpayer- have no interest in keeping a woman alive that will only serve as an example of what a human should NOT have to endure.

I seem to remember reading that Michael Schiavo and his ghoulish attorney had her placed on the "public tit" while they were still wrangling over the trust fund.

However, the Schindler family members wanted to bring her home and care for her at their own expense, IIRC. Not to mention that there were offers pouring in from all over the place from people who wanted to donate time, money, and therapy expertise. So, if she had been allowed to go home and live with her family, she would most likely then have been OFF the "public tit."

FYI, there were several "experts" (such as neurologists, therapists, etc.) who were convinced that she could have made at least a partial recovery. Her brain was damaged, but it was NOT "lunchmeat." Sheesh.

I hear you, and I'm not crazy about being taxed to pay for other people's medical care either... as a matter of fact, after my taxes get paid, I can't afford ANY medical care, for either my cats or me.

But in the Schiavo case, letting her live would have had the practical upside of getting her off the "public tit." And I'm sure there could have been found a couple of thousand people who were willing to donate even $5.00 per month toward Terri's upkeep (I would have scraped up the money to donate a few bucks per month for the rest of her life).

45 posted on 07/10/2006 12:22:29 AM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
A major portion of Terri's cerebal cortex had disintegrated. There was empty space were most of her Cerebellum used to be. X-rays of her brain showed this.

For some reason, everyone here has miraculously forgotten this fact or believe the autopsy was "rigged" somehow.
46 posted on 07/10/2006 12:40:37 AM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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To: pbmaltzman
FYI, there were several "experts" (such as neurologists, therapists, etc.) who were convinced that she could have made at least a partial recovery.

If you could point me to a single "expert' that made this type of claim after the autopsy, I would be grateful.
47 posted on 07/10/2006 12:48:24 AM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive
If you could point me to a single "expert' that made this type of claim after the autopsy, I would be grateful.

As far as I know, none of the experts who believed that she could have made a partial recovery, changed their opinion after the autopsy. FWIW, from what I read, the autopsy was not conclusive about what her actual function was.

And it's just plain hyperbole to claim that large parts of her brain were either no longer there or just liquefied. Atrophied, probably, but not "liquefied."

48 posted on 07/10/2006 1:54:50 AM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: darren7171; Proud_USA_Republican
>>Yeah...she had part of her brain absolutely gone! ... It was basically an "ooze".

>> A major portion of Terri's cerebal cortex had disintegrated

See post 94 by Polybius.

A radiologist discussions Terri's CT

49 posted on 07/10/2006 2:38:11 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: napscoordinator; IIntense
I would toss it up to a bad priest. There are bad people in every profession.

Being a Catholic priest is not a "profession".

50 posted on 07/10/2006 6:15:07 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (nac uoy daer sdrow sdrawkcab?)
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To: isthisnickcool

Being a Catholic priest is not a "profession".





Oh goodness. You knew what I meant. I have been Catholic since birth.


51 posted on 07/10/2006 8:28:37 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: isthisnickcool

Being a Catholic priest is not a "profession".





Oh goodness. You knew what I meant. I have been Catholic since birth.


52 posted on 07/10/2006 8:28:38 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: darren7171

If you'd been starved and dehydrated to death for two weeks I would betcha you'd be "unrecogizable" too!


53 posted on 07/10/2006 9:32:43 AM PDT by greccogirl
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

What do you think two weeks of starvation does to the brain? Let me starve and dehydate you for two weeks and let's see what you look like.


54 posted on 07/10/2006 9:34:47 AM PDT by greccogirl
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To: greccogirl
Here's what Dr. Nelson actually said, summarizing his autopsy findings: The damage was "most severe in the occipital lobes, with relative preservation of the frontal and temporal lobes." And, "The frontal temporal and temporal poles and insular-cortex demonstrated relative preservation."

What that "relative preservation" means is that some networking in Terri's brain was intact. She had some cortical function. No one can say how much, but some.

Diagnosis of mental status must be done clinically, i.e., by testing the living patient. Even then, diagnosis has a high error rate and can be controversial. You cannot diagnose PVS, MCS or Locked in Syndrome at all post mortem.

By my scientific survey, 100% of the liberal reporters in America got it wrong reporting Terri's autopsy :-)

55 posted on 07/10/2006 1:06:41 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: napscoordinator
I would toss it up to a bad priest.

That sounds a lot like "Oh, well. What are you gonna do?" Obviously the Pope chose to do nothing. The Catholic Church does not benefit from shielding bad priests, IMO.

56 posted on 07/10/2006 3:12:25 PM PDT by IIntense
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To: FairOpinion; Arthur McGowan
I don't mean to drag out the discussion, but I have a very strong personal opinion --- especially regarding someone's life [as if you don't know by now]. But the judicial branch is only one of three equal branches of government.

Who is truely to say who has the final call. If Jeb had a strong backbone, he could have taken Terri into protective custody. He could have argued that the current court process overstepped their boundaries, and as state chief executive, he was acting to prevent any permanent harm from coming to her until a full and fair review of her case was completely heard.

He would have violated a court order, but as governor, sometimes you have to do what is truly right, not just "legal" according to somebody's opinion. Someone else could have a very differing "opinion" even in the legal environment. But in true essence, as an equal branch of government, the judicial branch, in itself, does not really have any power over the governor. It would be up to the state legislature to impeach him, if they felt that he truly overstepped his bounds. However, given the situation, I don't think there would be enough legislators to convict him.

But he did not chose to act in any manner, except not to act at all.

I'm sorry, but he is a Bush!!!!!!!!!!!!
57 posted on 07/10/2006 9:54:02 PM PDT by Jerr (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: churchillbuff

Thank you churchillbuff.


58 posted on 07/10/2006 9:59:09 PM PDT by fatima (You can read History or make it,fatima)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

"A major portion of Terri's cerebal cortex had disintegrated. There was empty space were most of her Cerebellum used to be. X-rays of her brain showed this."

Sorry, Charlie, top neurologists and neuroradiologists explain that there is often not a correlation between how "bad" a brain scan looks and the clinical state of the person. People with scans just like Terri's have had a remarkable degree of awareness and function. She was murdered.


59 posted on 07/10/2006 10:05:07 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Jerr
...sometimes you have to do what is right, not just "legal" according to somebody's opinion.

Jeb Bush knew, or should have known, the whole background of this case. The public had access to a lot of information, and the actual facts, by themselves, created a legitimate suspicion that something was not on the up-and-up here.

Jeb Bush should have seen this and used his executive position as the Governor of Florida to intervene. What cause matters more than someone's life?

And I agree...the legislature would not have impeached him. BUT, if they did, he would survive, knowing what he did what was right.

Frankly, I doubt any of them have lost a moment's sleep: Schiavo, Greer, Centonze, Bush, Bishop Lynch, the Grim Reaper Felos, and all who took a role in ending Terri's life

60 posted on 07/10/2006 11:06:00 PM PDT by IIntense
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