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Show me the Money! Romney vs. McCain in the "Big Fish" Race
Elect Romney in 2008 ^ | 7/8/06 | Jeff Fuller

Posted on 07/08/2006 3:53:39 PM PDT by Jeff Fuller

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1 posted on 07/08/2006 3:53:42 PM PDT by Jeff Fuller
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To: Jeff Fuller

Does anyone one think that being a Mormon will be a significant liability for Romney the way that being Catholic was a liability for Kennedy (my Grandfather thought that Kennedy was going to take orders from the Pope).


2 posted on 07/08/2006 3:55:42 PM PDT by Axhandle
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To: Axhandle

I think both "big fish" in this race are swimming upstream only to get snatched out of the water by a conservative grizzly bear and eaten regardless of faith.


3 posted on 07/08/2006 4:08:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: Axhandle
He is a RINO and if the MSM and the RNC jams Rudy, Romney or McCain down my throat, this would only help the democrats.
4 posted on 07/08/2006 4:08:16 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Axhandle
2 things against Romney in my book. His religion and the fact that he is from Mass.
5 posted on 07/08/2006 4:10:21 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: Axhandle
Does anyone one think that being a Mormon will be a significant liability for Romney the way that being Catholic was a liability for Kennedy (my Grandfather thought that Kennedy was going to take orders from the Pope).

Yes, being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints will hurt Gov. Romney in some of the primary contests.
6 posted on 07/08/2006 4:15:58 PM PDT by Veronica Mars
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To: Jeff Fuller

history repeats itself. think big ed muskie in '72, evrybody except the voters supported him.


7 posted on 07/08/2006 4:20:28 PM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: Jeff Fuller

Is this Bush/McCain crap true?


8 posted on 07/08/2006 4:21:19 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: mariabush

If the MSM likes or recommends the GOP candidate ---- then ignore her/him.


9 posted on 07/08/2006 4:21:56 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
He is a RINO and if the MSM and the RNC jams Rudy, Romney or McCain down my throat, this would only help the democrats.

Indeed. If it's any of those three, my vote goes third party.

10 posted on 07/08/2006 4:22:42 PM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: JohnLongIsland
ed muskie in '72, evrybody except the voters supported him.

As Bernie Goldberg said about Nixon. Nobody in the media knew anyone who voted for Nixon but he won 49 states.
11 posted on 07/08/2006 4:26:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: Sloth

Indeed. If it's any of those three, my vote goes third party.


translation: i wan't hillary to be my president.
JMHO


12 posted on 07/08/2006 4:34:10 PM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: Jeff Fuller
However, most self-proclaimed conservatives have major reservations about McCain.

True. His co-sponsorships of McCain-Feingold and current Senate immigration bill, just to name two.

But Mitt Romney as the GOP nominee in '08? What are his conservative credentials? Surely not his monstrous Taxachusetts health care plan!

13 posted on 07/08/2006 4:37:46 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Jeff Fuller

From the top...

SENATOR McCain will have difficulty winning the election if he indeed is the nominee because he is a SENATOR.

The last Senator (or former Senator) who won an election against a non-Senator was Truman, who obviously had the power of the incumbency behind him, in the infamous "Dewey Wins" election.

Before that, you need to look at Warren G Harding in 1920 for a sucessful run for POTUS by a Senator or former Senator.

The reason McCain matches up well against Hillary is that... drumroll please... SHE'S A SENATOR!!!!

The raw data from the last 100 years:

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Harding - Senate to POTUS, 1920

Truman - Senate to VP, POTUS via death, last POTUS to win vs non-senator Dewey in 1952.

Kennedy - Senate to POTUS, 1960 (ran against Senator Nixon)


Johnson - Senate to VP, POTUS via death, (beat Senator Goldwater in re-election)

Nixon - Senate to VP to unemployment to POTUS, 1968 (lost to Sen Kennedy, beat Senators HHH and McGovern in elections)





Failed:

Kerry, 2004
Gore, 2000
Dole, 1996
Mondale, 1984
McGovern, 1972
Humphrey, 1968
Goldwater, 1964
Nixon, 1960 (ran against Senator)





Last POTUS w/ Senate experience - Nixon
Last POTUS w/ Senate experience to gain office via election - Kennedy
Last POTUS to win as sitting Senator - Kennedy
Last POTUS w/ Senate experience to win in election against non-senator - Truman


14 posted on 07/08/2006 4:40:04 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: TWohlford

I agree, I don't like voting for Washington insiders who have already done enough damage to the country. I will hold my nose and probably vote for Rudy.


15 posted on 07/08/2006 4:46:08 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: TWohlford
Truman defeated Dewey in 1948, not 1952. But your point is well-taken, though hardly original.
16 posted on 07/08/2006 4:55:06 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

This is 1964 all over again. The conventional wisdom was that the GOP nomination was Rockefellers to lose. But nobody was listening to the base, and Goldwater got the nom.
I'm hoping we have a TRUE conservative on our ticket, not John McCain. I will vote third party is McCain gets the nom.


17 posted on 07/08/2006 5:01:20 PM PDT by reaganandme (You don't beat a liberal by becoming one.)
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To: Axhandle

"However, most self-proclaimed conservatives have major reservations about McCain."

Ditto that for Romney. Just another RINO. And he will peak way too soon. Once people learn about his wishy-washy views on abortion and his support for gays, over the boy scouts, he's toast.


18 posted on 07/08/2006 5:01:38 PM PDT by JRochelle
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To: JohnLongIsland

I'd rather have a DemonRat who is at least honest enough to run under that name.


19 posted on 07/08/2006 5:06:48 PM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: justiceseeker93

"Truman defeated Dewey in 1948, not 1952. But your point is well-taken, though hardly original."

Thanks for the correction... I knew that of course, but was one of those editing deals.

I posted that info to an Ann Arbor, MI Craigslist, and got roundly condemned for saying that Hillary wouldn't win unless she was opposite another Senator. The rant from the guy who was a PhD in biology was enlightening, let me tell you. Finally, someone who'd taken an poly sci class sided with me.


20 posted on 07/08/2006 5:16:44 PM PDT by TWohlford
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