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Noah's Ark Discovered in Iran?
National Geographic ^ | 7/7/06 | Kate Ravilious

Posted on 07/07/2006 10:05:17 PM PDT by freedom44

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To: Central Scrutiniser


"Use the brain God gave you, not using it would be a sin."

I used the brain God gave me to arrive at the belief that He exists. I thought like you do now when I was 14. Your big, tough unrelenting questions ARE YOUR DEFENSE AGAINST EVER BELIEVING.

The nature of God is unknowable. There MUST ALWAYS be more questions than answers Anyone who doesn't want to be bothered by God can simply ask questions and wait for someone to answer them.

Use your brain to LOOK for Him. It stands to reason that if He exists he COULD NOT leave you, in life, incapable of finding Him.


321 posted on 07/09/2006 2:12:02 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: blowfish

"I *have* thought about the mechanics and devastation associated by the transport of this volume of water."

This very subject was covered on History, TLC or Discovery. A scientist (Geologist?) posited the mechanics and made predictions on among other thing, the geological scar that would be left. The special claimed he found corrosponding geology. Sorry I don't remember which channel but a look at their shows for sale on DVD might turn it up. "


322 posted on 07/09/2006 2:16:29 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: Central Scrutiniser
How did the S. American arboreal animals like the sloth get home?

They followed the Kangaros (/sarcasm)

323 posted on 07/09/2006 2:20:33 PM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA

That is actually a better answer than any ark supporters can give.

LOL


324 posted on 07/09/2006 3:16:25 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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To: TalBlack

No, my big tough unrelenting questions are exposing this as a fable because you can't answer them. You can't go saying that this event happened as a historical event on one hand, and then retreat into it being a metaphysical event when challenged. You can't have it both ways.

But, maybe if you try typing in all caps, I'll change my mind.

LOL


325 posted on 07/09/2006 3:18:37 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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To: TalBlack
It would have to be one heck of a scar, since we're talking a volume of water on the order of one billion cubic miles. Billion with a B.
Now, is there any known physical process that would cause that volume of water to pop out of the earth like a jack-in-the-box? Then neatly tuck itself back in? Or are we reduced to invoking miracles here?
326 posted on 07/09/2006 4:56:20 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: Central Scrutiniser

The sloth didn't have to make it back to Australia. The known "world" was a lot smaller back then - THEIR whole world was flooded, but it doesn't mean that Australia and South America were


327 posted on 07/09/2006 5:16:35 PM PDT by Tigercap
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To: Tigercap

Don't know, literalists say it was entire planet and every single species of animal. If it was just a small part of world, wouldn't we know that from later stories?


328 posted on 07/09/2006 5:39:48 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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To: Central Scrutiniser
My mind is wide open, that is why I keep asking you all to show me some proof so I can change my mind. You can't handle that though..

Do you believe anything written in the bible?
329 posted on 07/09/2006 6:31:23 PM PDT by TinCan
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To: TinCan

I don't believe that parables happened historically. Do I believe a guy lived in a whale's mouth? No, and I don't believe in the ark story. They were parables, just stories.


330 posted on 07/09/2006 7:39:58 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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To: timer

Couple of considerations:

- Jesus referred to the flood in the context of judgment. If we hold that the flood was myth or fable, then we imply Jesus was lying or was misinformed--neither trait one we associate with lord and savior

- God's promise to Noah was that He would never again flood the earth the way He did. However, there HAVE been local floods since that time. So, if the flood of Noah was merely a local flood, then God was lying.

- I'm not trying to impute motives on your part, but I will say that often people dislike, or try to disprove the idea of the Noahic flood, because they are uncomfortable with the idea of divine judgment.


331 posted on 07/09/2006 7:48:01 PM PDT by rudy45
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To: rudy45

No, it wasn't God who wrote Genesis, some say it was Moses putting to paper what had long been an oral tradition in pakistani/hebrew culture. A true story of survival at sea during a hurricane was turned into a myth/fish story that gets bigger with each telling. It's really no different than other myths : greek gods, aryan superiority, the list goes on and on; even today we have the myth of OBL living in a cave, sending out his assassins, a medieval arabic myth. Don't underestimate the POWER of myth, it is MYTHS that underpin religions. It was a MYTH that impelled the 9/11 hijackers to kill so many.....As to Jesus and floods : his main clue : "and the lightning flashed from the east even unto the west". Put that(counter EMF force) together with the GREAT earthquake and HUGE hailstones...and you've got what I figured out in 1979.


332 posted on 07/09/2006 11:10:07 PM PDT by timer
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To: blowfish

Sorry, you flunked the infinite watermelon test....


333 posted on 07/09/2006 11:11:55 PM PDT by timer
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To: Virginia-American

You have a time-line problem here. Pangaea was some 500 million years ago, noah was about 7000 years ago. His culture was dravidian, remnants of which still live on in india. Gondwanaland(the southern supercontinent) developed marsupials(kangaroos)and fossil marsupials are found in south america. The BIG dinosaurs went extinct with the Yucatan meteorite/nuclear winter event of 65 million years ago, thus the rise of mammals. But when pangaea split they developed in different directions. There NEVER was marsupials on the eurasian continent, but noah was clearly a pakistani living in the delta region of the Indus River. Do some research...


334 posted on 07/09/2006 11:21:40 PM PDT by timer
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To: timer

Follow the links in poast 312.


335 posted on 07/09/2006 11:26:55 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

In the 1930s Himmler sent a group of scientists to Tibet to discover the origins of aryans, to buttress his case for aryan superiority. Here in 2006 we have the same type of fools crawling all over Mt Ararat looking for a myth that was cooked up around a campfire in iraq 7000 years ago....You see, OBL and the 9/11 terrorists were living out a MYTH. Myths are powerful things, the underpinnings of religions. Tell a homely girl she's beautiful. She knows it's a lie but still loves the lie(bogus bill clinton knows this only too well). Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, mind-numbed robots pulling the slot machine lever in Vegas, the little old lady buying her daily lottery ticket.....myths are powerful things. We would do better by attacking islamic myths than whacking al queda types in iraq; and, although it would dis-comfit christians, jews as well, exposing the noah MYTH to scientific scrutiny would put islam into doubt as well : childish belief vs adult certainty....This then is your study for next semester : the POWER OF MYTH.


336 posted on 07/09/2006 11:37:43 PM PDT by timer
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To: timer
We would do better by attacking islamic myths than whacking al queda types in iraq...

Nuke Mecca.

337 posted on 07/10/2006 12:34:50 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Yeah it's been suggested already. That may be why we haven't been nuced already. MAD = Mutually Assured Destruction works with islamofascists just as well as the former soviet politbureau. Still, though, stock up on survival supplies, iran and north korea may be on GWBs dance card soon enough.


338 posted on 07/10/2006 3:19:29 AM PDT by timer
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To: timer

Why must the Noahic flood be myth? Not to be facetious, but I hardly expect that anyone who could raise Jesus from the dead would have trouble creating a worldwide flood. As I said before, Jesus had no trouble either with the idea of a worldwide flood or with Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch, so why should we?


339 posted on 07/10/2006 7:29:51 AM PDT by rudy45
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To: rudy45

Jesus was raised from the dead by placing a su-co ring around his corpse, and slam freezing it to 0 deg Kelvin. By the First Law of Thermodynamics the heat in his body had to GO somewhere, thus the up/down gamma ray burst that burned the scorch-picture onto the shroud of turin. There is still residual gyroscopic precessions, thus it was small cones of radiation that went into the +z/-z vectors(ring defines x-y plan). Thus the sharp image on tip of nose and fuzzier further away.....Then his body is returned to the cat scan image taken during the transfiguation on the mount years earlier, including his brain memory. Thus, at first, he doesn't recognize mary, calling her "woman", because his brain memory hasn't caught up to his spirit memory yet....As to the world wide flood : no evidence whatsoever. It's all just a pakistani farmer on his log raft out in the middle of the gulf of arabia. The earth is CURVED, remember? After generations of oral tradition by illiterate people it gets jazzed up into a MYTH and finally written down by moses as if it was all true.....You have to graduate from sunday school pilgrim, it's a real world out here, not for gullible 5 year olds....


340 posted on 07/10/2006 1:40:34 PM PDT by timer
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