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Noah's Ark Discovered in Iran?
National Geographic ^ | 7/7/06 | Kate Ravilious

Posted on 07/07/2006 10:05:17 PM PDT by freedom44

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To: TalBlack

It takes faith to belive a fable, even though you know it is unprovable and impossible.

We all have a hearty laugh when we read about scientology and its silly stories of Xenu and engrams. But, look at the ark story outside your religion, and think. Its just as silly.

No one here has yet explained what the animals ate, how they got there, how they got home and how a wooden boat could be built large enough without cracking under its own weight.


201 posted on 07/08/2006 10:16:46 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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To: GarySpFc

Ah, so God wants us not to think? Just be little automatons, willfully ignorant of science and reason?

Sounds more like you just want to be an unthinking slave.


202 posted on 07/08/2006 10:17:55 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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To: MineralMan
Some Christians believe the Genesis story is an accurate rendering of what actually occurred. More Christians, however, believe that it is allegorical.

I have been a Christian for 35 years, a minister, and theologian. I have both liberal and conservative friends, who are lay people and theologians. You are dead wrong regarding most Christians believing the Genesis story is allegorical.
203 posted on 07/08/2006 10:19:15 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: BrandtMichaels
Try reading www.creationscience.com if you truly want scientific explanations for how a worldwide flood was possible. Dr. Walt Brown PhD has some simply amazing conjectures on how all of this came to be. Incidentally, although a christian he started out believing in a billions of years evolutionary model before most of the pieces of the puzzle began to fall into place.

I went to the link you posted. There I read the section titled How Accurate Is Radiocarbon Dating? because that is a field I actually know something about.

The article is loaded with the standard creationist nonsense.

Why should I believe any of the rest of Dr. Brown's writing if the one article I can actually judge the accuracy of is so full of errors?

Is he hoping people won't know the difference?

Sorry, another example of creation "science" failing to include real science.

204 posted on 07/08/2006 10:19:18 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: one of His mysterious ways
Book: "What are we up to, sweetheart?"
River: "Fixing your Bible."
Book: "I, um...(alarmed)...what?"
River: "Bible's broken. Contradictions, false logistics - doesn't make sense."
205 posted on 07/08/2006 10:19:31 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Make peace with your Ann whatever you conceive Her to be -- Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin)
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To: puroresu

You can't win an argument by explaining away every thing as a miracle. Its a cop out.


206 posted on 07/08/2006 10:21:28 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Ah, so God wants us not to think? Just be little automatons, willfully ignorant of science and reason?
Sounds more like you just want to be an unthinking slave.


Wrong! We believe the Bible to be true based on the preponderance of evidence, NOT a leap in the dark.
207 posted on 07/08/2006 10:21:31 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: srmorton

You do realize the winning bet in Pascals Wager was Roman Catholicism? All other choices lose


208 posted on 07/08/2006 10:22:16 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Make peace with your Ann whatever you conceive Her to be -- Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin)
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To: GarySpFc

That is where you get sloppy, you have a story and you try to build science to support the story, rather than use the scientific method of discovery.

Sloppy science.

How did the sloth swim back to the amazon?

Oh, yeah, a Miracle!


209 posted on 07/08/2006 10:24:29 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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To: Coyoteman

Was I talking to you?


210 posted on 07/08/2006 10:26:30 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

Yoo were talking to anybody who heard you.


211 posted on 07/08/2006 10:34:53 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Here to help)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Yeah a dog can smell a tumor, a fish can get jittery before an earthquake, that's nice, tell me how every species of animal traveled (some over 10,000 miles) to get into an ark, and more importantly, how did they get home? How did they eat? How did they not have chromosone damage from inbreeding?

You laughably say that perhaps the animals sensed a disaster and returned when it was over, well what did they eat? Where are the fossil records? How did they swim across the Atlantic and Pacific to get home with no food?

How do we know which continents & oceans were around then? The Bible speaks of the land arising from the water, not lands. How do you know that the oceans' water didn't come from this flood?

212 posted on 07/08/2006 10:36:49 AM PDT by Smittie
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To: Oztrich Boy

No one who keeps their head in the sand...


213 posted on 07/08/2006 10:37:06 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: GarySpFc

"You are dead wrong regarding most Christians believing the Genesis story is allegorical."

Actually, I don't think that's the case. The Roman Catholic Church, absolutely the largest denomination of Christianity has said that it does not think the 7-day Genesis account is literally accurate, and accepts evolution as the mechanism of speciation.

Perhaps you don't consider Roman Catholics to be Christians, but that's a big stretch. In addition, most mainstream Protestant churches also teach the allegorical nature of the creation story, and other stories like the noachian flood.

Beliefs vary among Christians regarding the literal acceptance of Old Testament stories, particularly of Genesis.


214 posted on 07/08/2006 10:48:27 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: Smittie

"How do we know which continents & oceans were around then? The Bible speaks of the land arising from the water, not lands. How do you know that the oceans' water didn't come from this flood?
"

When is it that you think the flood occurred? If you answer that question, then I can answer yours.


215 posted on 07/08/2006 10:50:01 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: GLDNGUN

Ah. Of course it's not "proof" that they didn't find the Ark. I do, however, have an opinion on what it is. See post #47


216 posted on 07/08/2006 11:26:52 AM PDT by verum ago (Proper foreign policy makes loud noises.)
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To: Smittie

How do we know?

Science!

We know about continental drift and where the landmasses were millions of years ago. Of course, lots of ark believers think the earth is 5000 years old.

You ark folk are bending over backwards with unprovable theories, a bunch of "perhaps" and "maybe" and other mental gymnastics because you are beginning realize that the ark story was a fable, but you still want to believe, like a child trying to rationalize Santa Claus.


217 posted on 07/08/2006 11:27:28 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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To: Oztrich Boy

I never claimed to be "creationist"...I'm fankly surprised at the anti religious retoric so willingly dished out by a few...

How about you save you hatred for the jihadists eh?

You know...the people who cut yer head off for non belief...


218 posted on 07/08/2006 11:47:25 AM PDT by Crim (I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
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To: MineralMan
We are also failing to teach common sense. Yes, boats are made of wood, but log rafts don't make good zoos. All Coast Guard approved arks are required to be made of hewn wood that is sawed, squared, planed, and otherwise shaped in some way to fit together many pieces. The pieces would have a visible beginning and end and would show fasteners of some sort, nails, wooden pegs.

All of this would be visible in the remains.

It is hilarious that educated people can act so ignorantly.

However I would believe that it was Noah's Ark if there were better identification such as: a Liberian registration number, a Carnival Cruise brochure, a flag of any kind (including semaphore), the letters HMS NOAH inscribed anywhere, a recovered cannon, amphora bottles......

219 posted on 07/08/2006 11:48:46 AM PDT by gandalftb
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To: MineralMan
BTW, I am a Christian. The Bible is a wonderful assembly of books that contain stories, general and specific, intended to guide and inspire us with a faith in God.

I believe that God wants me to be wise enough to know that some words of man are fallible and need interpretation. Especially stories repeated by hearsay for thousands of years.

If those words are inconsistent with logic and cause me to doubt my faith in God then those words should be doubted instead, perhaps ignored, perhaps understood in the historical light of those who wrote them.

Even the ten commandments forbid me from stealing my neighbors ass, but say nothing about stealing his Lincoln Navigator. Oh well, I can't afford the gas anyway.

220 posted on 07/08/2006 12:05:22 PM PDT by gandalftb
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