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Navy to Use Less Intense Sonar in Pacific Rim Exercises
AP ^ | 7/5/6

Posted on 07/05/2006 10:18:14 AM PDT by SmithL

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To: SmithL

Tell the damn whales to get out of the way, or we'll consider going back to the primary source of non-wood fuel we used in the 1800s.


21 posted on 07/05/2006 12:01:07 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: stuartcr
Stick the enviros heads under water that are protesting and turn up the volume full bore as a test of whether it hurts mammals.
22 posted on 07/05/2006 12:03:20 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed

Perhaps you would be willing to take your primary input for communication, eyes or ears, and subject them to stimuli that is the equivalent to 250 dbs of acoustic or stare at flash grenades, on a continuous basis?


23 posted on 07/05/2006 12:08:50 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr

Do you have reliable information that backs up that premise? Is that what whales actually experience?


24 posted on 07/05/2006 12:19:50 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: SmithL

Impressive education.....NOT!


25 posted on 07/05/2006 12:20:15 PM PDT by He'sComingBack!
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To: stuartcr

No, but it would eliminate some enviros.

I don't care how they disapear and long as they do.


26 posted on 07/05/2006 12:21:11 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Dog Gone

As I said, animals can't tell us what they feel...would you blow a whistle in your dog's ear as hard as you can?

I was on the ship that did the acoustic tests.


27 posted on 07/05/2006 12:40:18 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: dalereed

Granted, they are a major pain in the ass.


28 posted on 07/05/2006 12:41:34 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Severa

heh heh


29 posted on 07/05/2006 12:42:23 PM PDT by steveo (Fathers Against Rude Television: You may already be a member)
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To: stuartcr

You haven't told me anything useful.

Would I want the siren from a fire truck in my bedroom blaring all night? Of course not.

Do I care if it's blaring two miles away? Nope.

Should fire trucks have sirens? Yes, and the fact that they do does not make me deaf or otherwise harm me.


30 posted on 07/05/2006 12:46:03 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

2 miles away, is a lot closer than an acoustic level that can be heard halfway around the world.

I'm not saying the navy shouldn't test, I'm saying that it is almost a certainty that it does damage to mammals.


31 posted on 07/05/2006 12:49:12 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr

You can't just pass off your conclusions here and expect them to be accepted as fact.

Even if I accept your assertion that whales can hear sonar from 12,000 miles away, which I don't without some evidence, it doesn't mean that hearing it closer than that distance damages them.

We all love whales and think they're nifty. That's not the point. The anti-military agenda forces want to use the loveable whales to shut down on our navy. That's a fact.

What is missing are the facts that correlate between sonar and damaged whales. It ain't good enough to say, "Look, a whale beached itself. Must be the damn US Navy."


32 posted on 07/05/2006 12:59:48 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: stuartcr
I'm not saying the navy shouldn't test, I'm saying that it is almost a certainty that it does damage to mammals.

Yet I've never seen an otter with a hearing aid.

COINCIDENCE??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

33 posted on 07/05/2006 1:03:36 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999 !!!)
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To: Dog Gone

I don't really care whether you believe me or not. I am passing on what I observed.

How does anyone measure the pain that a wild animal, especially a sea mammal, experience? Since no human tests were or are going to be done, I am going by what happened to the diver.


34 posted on 07/05/2006 1:04:22 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Unfortunately, Long Cut left FR last year, so isn't around to weigh in again.

I disagree that it's unfortunate. He became an antifreeper, and he hates this place and many of the people in it.

35 posted on 07/05/2006 1:05:21 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999 !!!)
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To: Lazamataz

That's probably because they have special places they live at. I heard it's in northern Manitoba, but I'm not sure.


36 posted on 07/05/2006 1:06:05 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr
eyes or ears, and subject them to stimuli that is the equivalent to 250 dbs of acoustic or stare at flash grenades, on a continuous basis?

I detonate one flash-bang grenade in my room every 43 seconds.

Keeps me on my toes.

37 posted on 07/05/2006 1:07:13 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999 !!!)
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To: stuartcr
That's probably because they have special places they live at.

The Otter Old Folks Home. But of course.

38 posted on 07/05/2006 1:07:55 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999 !!!)
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To: Lazamataz

Can you even see your toes, through all the spots?


39 posted on 07/05/2006 1:09:47 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr
I don't really care whether you believe me or not. I am passing on what I observed.

You haven't given us anything to believe or disbelieve.

"We're hurting the poor whales" is an opinion, not an observation.

If you have no evidence to back that up, fine. I was just trying to find out if you had anything to support that opinion.

40 posted on 07/05/2006 1:12:05 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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