Vatican vows to expel stem cell scientists from Church

Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 06/30/06 | By Malcolm Moore in Rome and Roger Highfield, Science Editor

[Bazooka]

Point taken, but what I mean to say is that sometimes things come at a price and that's what you pay if you expect to get what you need, wether or not the church has moral grounds to approve or disapprove of the whole thing.
This is indeed a difficult matter, on which many people will keep disagreeing. So be it.

[GOPJ]

I believe that many unfit men headed towards the priesthood in the 1960s in the expectation that not only would sexual morals soon be abolished, but that their position gave them authority to help form the "brave new world." In this way, Satan make a huge gain on the church, corrupting so very, very many of those who would become bishops.

Morally compromised men moving toward a priesthood with the expectation that morals will soon be abolished. I know you said "sexual morals", but in fact, it's much more likely that it was "morals being abolished. What stronger position for evil to function in than a church with innocent and trusting people wanting to believe? And what would evil preach? It would preach tolerance and acceptance of evil.

[MonroeDNA]

"The Catholic church continues to lose members in almost all developed countries and is trying to get new members from the third world."

Which is why they hate birth control. Fewer future catholics.

[kittymyrib]

Guess all the pro-abortion Democrat Catholics will have to forego a Catholic burial (Kennedy, Pelosi, Kerry, McKulski et al). Wanna place a bet whether their American bishops follow this ruling?

[sitetest]

Dear Bazooka,

That's nice.

Nonetheless, you can't intentionally, directly kill innocent human beings to achieve a good.

You may not do what is intrinsically evil to accomplish good.

That's pretty much at the foundation of Catholic moral theology, and has been for two thousand years. If you personally disagree with it in some cases, if you think that there can be exceptions to that principle, well, go for it.

But it isn't reasonable to expect the Catholic Church to provide for exceptions to that principle, and neither is it a double standard to refuse exceptions to that principle.


sitetest

[mware]

What bothers me is that the church seems to have a double standard. Stem cell research does not automatically mean the use of embryos, there are other ways.

Actually the Catholic Church does approve of the use of Adult Stem Research and cord and placenta cell research.

To be perfectly honest adult stem research is in the process of using it in over 70 clinical studies including cancer. Embryonic stem cell clinical studies = 0

http://www.stemcellresearch.org/ http://www.stemcellresearch.org/

[Rytwyng]

Why does the church fail to concede that you have to break some eggs if you want an omelette?

Because the embryos are innocent and non-consenting eggs. Unlike criminals or terrorists, they've done nothing to deserve to be scrambled, and unlike soldiers, they cannot give an informed consent to risk themselves (even in a draft, there is conscientious objector status available, so a potential soldier always, at some level, consents.) Embryos are guilty of nothing, cannot consent to anything, and cannot opt out of anything.