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The American Prowler ^ | 6/30/2006 | Richard Kirk

Posted on 06/30/2006 12:42:04 AM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: Tokra
I also find it quite amazing that the entire globe was under water - even Mt. Everest. If the water was that deep (at least 29,000 feet above sea level) - just where did all that water go when the "waters receded"?? Receded to where? The moon??

I also find God to be most amazing.

621 posted on 07/06/2006 3:59:16 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: hail to the chief

>>Of course you can do what you want with a piece of clay, but it is a different thing entirely to bring harm on a conscious being.<<

Without a creator, there is no such thing as consciousness.


622 posted on 07/06/2006 7:32:45 AM PDT by RobRoy (The Internet is doing to Evolution what it did to Dan Rather. Information is power.)
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To: hail to the chief

>>Of course you can do what you want with a piece of clay, but it is a different thing entirely to bring harm on a conscious being.<<

If a thing has no purpose, you cannot harm it. You can only change it.


623 posted on 07/06/2006 7:33:44 AM PDT by RobRoy (The Internet is doing to Evolution what it did to Dan Rather. Information is power.)
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To: RobRoy

You could say the same thing for parents and childbirth, but that does not justify child abuse.


624 posted on 07/06/2006 8:33:14 AM PDT by hail to the chief (Use your conservatism liberally)
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To: RobRoy

Really? So, then, if you were to go out today and start chopping off the heads of atheists, I suppose you think you would be doing them no harm?


625 posted on 07/06/2006 8:38:37 AM PDT by hail to the chief (Use your conservatism liberally)
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To: hail to the chief

>>Really? So, then, if you were to go out today and start chopping off the heads of atheists, I suppose you think you would be doing them no harm?<,

If I didn't believe we were created, you would be right. But I do, so you're wrong.

But your post demonstrates an understanding of my comments that if you want to see how a TRUE atheist acts, just watch the movie Natural Born Killers.


626 posted on 07/06/2006 8:41:06 AM PDT by RobRoy (The Internet is doing to Evolution what it did to Dan Rather. Information is power.)
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To: hail to the chief

>>You could say the same thing for parents and childbirth, but that does not justify child abuse.<<

I don't understand the connection you are trying to make. I do agree, however, that child abuse is not justified. Of course, each person defines child abuse differently. But that is a whole 'nother can o' worms...


627 posted on 07/06/2006 8:43:08 AM PDT by RobRoy (The Internet is doing to Evolution what it did to Dan Rather. Information is power.)
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To: nickcarraway
For women this sacrament [abortion] secures their "right to have sex with men they don't want to have children with."

That will leave a mark.

Interestingly, the same holds true for birth control.

628 posted on 07/06/2006 8:53:26 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: RobRoy
A "true" atheist? The only thing required to meet the definition of an atheist is to not believe in any god, and millions of the most peaceful people in the world are atheists.
629 posted on 07/06/2006 6:32:57 PM PDT by hail to the chief (Use your conservatism liberally)
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To: RobRoy
You seemed to be attempting to justify the supposed existence of hell by saying that, as our creator, God can do whatever he wants with us. But creating a living being certainly does not give you the right to harm it.
630 posted on 07/06/2006 6:38:03 PM PDT by hail to the chief (Use your conservatism liberally)
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To: torchthemummy
You can be the most religious of people in this world and still would accept that adding this chemical to this one makes this potion.Anyone can get a kid's chemistry set and see for themselves.

And many Christians (most outside the US) accept the fact that new species will arrise over time due to genetic mutation/recombination and natural selection. Anyone who can visit a natural history museum can see for himself.

For Mao, Stalin , Marx etc. evolution theory (scripture) is necessary for the ultimate goal - elimination of all religions minus one - cradle-to-grave-we-know-what-is-best-for-you-nanny-statism.

Neo-Darwimian evolutionary theory has nothing to do with socialism. In fact, if anything, it has anti-socialist implications. That's why Stalin banned its study Soviet universities.

You can support evolution all you want but if it is to be taught as the only revelation as to the source of life then no thanks.

It's taught as a science, nothing more, nothing less. Science is not revelation.

Darwin's Evolutional Theory is just that - theory. As an all-encompassing theory

All-encompassing? I think not. It's just a theory about how life changes over time. That's it. It doesn't deal with the origin or life, the origin of the universe, or any of the really big questions. Just how life changes over time. I'm shocked at how many people think it deals with more than that. From where do you get this idea that it's all-encompassing?

631 posted on 07/06/2006 9:27:58 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: hail to the chief
>>The only thing required to meet the definition of an atheist is to not believe in any god<<

So true. And I determine ones beliefs by their actions, not by what they claim to believe. A true atheist is not peaceful, unless totally under the thumb of some other person. IOW, a peaceful atheist lives a life of constant, unyielding fear.

Technically, that is the life ALL atheists live. If they don't, they are not really atheist no matter how much they pout and say, "Am too, am too!!"..
632 posted on 07/07/2006 8:31:48 AM PDT by RobRoy (The Internet is doing to Evolution what it did to Dan Rather. Information is power.)
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To: hail to the chief
You seemed to be attempting to justify the supposed existence of hell

Honestly, hell was the farthest thing from my mind. It is a place created for Satan.

But creating a living being certainly does not give you the right to harm it.

Who made up THAT rule?! Who the heck "gives" and "takes away" such a right?

633 posted on 07/07/2006 8:34:17 AM PDT by RobRoy (The Internet is doing to Evolution what it did to Dan Rather. Information is power.)
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To: Varmint Al
You are wrong; beliefs should be examined as to their reasonableness.

Although I only knew about half of the arguments before I read the book, Ann's presentation and contextualization (look a new word!) makes a much more convincing summary. The straw man arguments of an evolution/flat earth creationism dichotomy purposefully avoid looking at the strong statistical reasoning behind ID.

Although science is not to be sneered at, mathematical arguments have a stronger claim to the word "proof."

Once something is proved by mathematics it stays proved; mathematical proofs have to pass more than the "best so far" test of scientific theory.

Some sciences are more equal than others, as the following joke will show. (thank you Eric Blair)

An astrophysicist, physicist, and a mathematician were traveling on a train in Scotland. They saw a black sheep grazing near the train tracks. "Look", exclaimed the astrophysicist, "all sheep in sheep in Scotland are black!"
"You mean that there is at least one sheep in Scotland that is black", scoffed the physicist. The mathematician rolled his eyes heavenwards. "All we know is; there exists in Scotland at least one sheep, one side of which, is black."

ID is a science. The proponents of Darwinian Evolution (of whatever stripe) seem to react to Ann's arguments like other liberal apes; they just throw excrement.

Behind the development of evolutionary thought, there lurks the epicurean world-view. It's good enough for a RINO, but not for a real conservative.

Are there any rational explanations to the institutionalized lies of evolutionist? Has any equivalent behavior been tolerated in other science?
634 posted on 07/08/2006 5:06:51 PM PDT by outcast_99 (intelligent: learns from own mistake; wise: learns from other's mistake)
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To: outcast_99
"Although science is not to be sneered at, mathematical arguments have a stronger claim to the word "proof.""

Only if you live in a nonphysical world. In the real world, mathematics is only as good as the model it is part of when it comes to explaining the physical world.

"Once something is proved by mathematics it stays proved; mathematical proofs have to pass more than the "best so far" test of scientific theory."

But mathematical proofs only have relevance in proportion to how well they are fitted with reality. Garbage in, garbage out.

"ID is a science."

Not in the real world it isn't. There is no conceivable observation that could possibly falsify ID.

"Are there any rational explanations to the institutionalized lies of evolutionist? Has any equivalent behavior been tolerated in other science?"

What lies?
635 posted on 07/08/2006 5:14:48 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: nickcarraway
At the very least Coulter succeeds in raising an important issue -- namely, that American courts currently ignore the religious or quasi-religious character of a philosophy that pervades public institutions and is propagated with public funds. ( from the article)

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I have repeated posted and will continue to post that the education of the young can NEVER be politically, culturally, or religiously neutral. The idea that secular humanism or liberalism is free of religious content or consequences is bogus!

There is absolutely NO possible way for any government school to be free of profound and non-neutral political, cultural, and religious content or consequence. No matter what a government chooses it WILL establish the religious worldview of some and actively, deliberately,and even maliciously undermine and try to destroy the religious, cultural, and political worldview of others.

It is for this reason that government schools should be abolished. They are an abomination!

By the way, having read Ann's chapter on teachers I fully agree with her final premise. If children learn anything at all it is in spite of their government school indoctrination. They are academically successful it is because their PARENTS have educated them.
636 posted on 07/08/2006 5:21:48 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; outcast_99
Carolina Guitarman, and outcast,

There is only one reason why evolution is such a hot topic: Government Schools!

If there were no government schools this acrimony would evaporate like dew on hot summer morning.

Although I personally subscribe to the Theory of Evolution ( I haven't yet read Ann's chapter or Darwin) I do NOT advocate forcing it on unwilling children or their parents. Government schools do this every day!

Also, although I subscribe to the Theory of Evolution, I am sensitive to its religious, political, and cultural CONSEQUENCES. This is especially true for those students whose religious beliefs can not accept it. It is NOT the government's role to use tax money to actively destroy a child or his family's most cherished cultural or religious beliefs and government does this every day in its abominable government schools.

The obvious solution is to get government out of the education business. We must move immediately to begin the process of privatizing universal K-12 education.
637 posted on 07/08/2006 5:29:32 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

Ah, the one trick pony enters the fray... yawn...


638 posted on 07/08/2006 5:30:32 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: webstersII
BTW, ever been to Japan? Your point about them being an atheist country shows your total ignorance about Japan. They are a very spiritual people and would never call themselves atheist.

What role does religion play in Japanese society? Almost none.

639 posted on 07/10/2006 12:10:14 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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To: OmahaFields

"What role does religion play in Japanese society? Almost none."

Based on what evidence? I see you didn't answer my question about actually having been there, so I assume you haven't. And, yes, I have.

As I said, you are clueless about this. They are not atheists and they would NEVER claim to be atheists. They do not believe in a deity like most people in the Judeo-Christian populations do but they are not atheists like you claim, either.


640 posted on 07/10/2006 6:43:13 PM PDT by webstersII
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