Posted on 06/30/2006 12:42:04 AM PDT by nickcarraway
"Modern day Japan is for all practical purposes an Atheist country yet their society seems to be doing fine. "
You should do some more research on this. I would not say they are doing fine for several reasons, one of which is that they have an extremely high rate of suicide (it's not discussed very openly). In fact the gov't has become concerned about online "suicide pacts", which they are afraid will cause even more people marginally predisposed to commit suicide to actually go through with it.
BTW, ever been to Japan? Your point about them being an atheist country shows your total ignorance about Japan. They are a very spiritual people and would never call themselves atheist.
Actually, it appears you are the one who failed to read. I didn't write what you commented on and I'm not interested enough in this thread to go back and find out who did.
>>Interesting how the Islamists are allying with the Christian fundamentalist in pushing ID down our throats in their battle against western science.
First, What is an islamist?
Second, what he heck are you talking about?
>>OK, I'm going to step away slowly & nonthreateningly now. Ummmm... Good luck with ... that ...<<
This is actually legal in the US today if your child is under a specific age. It is called abortion.
>>And creationists wonder why evolution supporters don't take their holier-than-thou pontifications seriously. We have seen support at various times for slavery, for banishment of medicine, for the rejection of reason as a tool of Satan, and now for filicide. But acceptance of evolution makes one wicked... lol<<
You are not taking my words at face value. You are reading things that are not there. God gave man the ability to make choices, even bad ones. But He did not give us the right to do anything. For example, so far it appears that he did not give us the right to travel backwards in time.
Here is a simple test to see if God gave you the right to choose to do a thing. Try to do it. If you can, He gave you that right. Of course, your actions may have negative consequences.
So yes, God gave Hitler the right to kill jews, otherwise he would have been incapable of such action. He gives parents the right to kill their children, otherwise abortions would not be possible.
However, acting on that right may be as devastating as when Adam and Eve acted on their rights by eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Saying someone CAN do a thing is not the same as saying they SHOULD do it.
See my post 585.
Your whole post misses one clear point: There is a difference between an atheist and a professing atheist. Also, there is a difference between a "Christian" and a professing "Christian". I will add that having worked in prison ministry I have found that many entered prison as professing atheists/agnostics but became Christian (and Muslim for that matter) while in prison.
Fact is, we are all spiritually "sick". The difference between a Christian and a non-Christian is that a Christian at least KNOWS he is sick.
Breathe any oxygen lately?
Honestly - If Hitler liked chocolate ice cream - then anybody who eats chocolate ice cream is a Nazi??
Evos???.....Evos???
What is it with the name calling? You realize that speaks volumes about your arguments. There is no such thing as "evos". What do you call those who believe the earth is round, not flat? Roundos?
I don't waste my time calling those who do not believe in evolution "Creatins" - but I could.
"You are not taking my words at face value."
Yes I am. You said parents can kill their children. You said the Old Testament supports this.
"He gives parents the right to kill their children, otherwise abortions would not be possible."
You have a very unique definition of rights.
"Yes, God gave them the right to make that choice. Otherwise, they would find themselves incapable of doing so. In fact, if you read the old testament you may find Gods instruction on what to do with an incorrigible child rather interesting."
So, what interesting things does the Old Testament say about what to do with an incorrigible child?
I don't waste my time calling those who do not believe in evolution "Creatins" - but I could.
That's some argument you put forth. Add a degree in science and $12.00 and you can get into the local zoo for a looksee at your relatives. Please note that none of my family line is on display there. By the way - "evo" fits in "evolutionist" without changing any letters. "Creatin" changes the natural spelling order and makes for a childish, spiteful slap, rather than a structured argument.
First, What is an islamist? Second, what he heck are you talking about?
Both are pushing anti-materialism (read the articles) / anti-science. Both are pushing ID.
There is no inherent clash between Islam and Christianity/ID.(IslamOnline)
ID: The Christian hope for Muslims (NRO)
yea, who want to go infront of the parole board saying "I'm a f'n atheist. So What". The question is how many stay Christians after they get out?
I think I am going to change my tagline. How about:
"Murder, a God-given right. RobRoy.
>>The question is how many stay Christians after they get out?<<
Or more likely, how many really were in the first place.
>>"Murder, a God-given right. RobRoy.<<
Feel free. It is true.
Feel free. It is true.
I don't understand.
So everyone in your family all descended from Noah. Every race - blacks, whites, orientals - all of us came from Noah & his wife. Not only that but we've somehow evolved into all the different races of mankind in just a few thousand years. Amazing. It's also quite amazing that Noah was able to fit over 10 million species of animal life into a 3 story ship measuring 450' X 75'. I also find it quite amazing that the entire globe was under water - even Mt. Everest. If the water was that deep (at least 29,000 feet above sea level) - just where did all that water go when the "waters receded"?? Receded to where? The moon??
I find all that a little harder to believe than the fact that we and apes descended from a common ancestor.
Note - I did not say that we descended from apes. That's a strawman argument that you Creationists put out. (Also notice how I didn't call you by a flippant abbreviation.)
One more question that the anit-evolutionists don't ever seem to answer - why do some species of snakes have vestigal legs? Why would God create some snakes with legs and some without?
Any answer that doesn't involve "we can't understand the mysteries of God" would suffice.
>>"Murder, a God-given right. RobRoy.
Feel free. It is true.
I don't understand.<<
Let me clarify: If you can do a thing, it is, by definition, a God given right to choose to do it and carry out the act. It means he has given you the authority to choose to do the thing, but also the responsibility for the consequences for doing it.
In other words, God gives you the right to murder someone, and then you suffer the consequences for doing it.
And it begs the question, what about the "rights" of the person you murdered? For that, you will need to read C.S. Lewis' book "The Problem of Pain".
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