Posted on 06/30/2006 12:42:04 AM PDT by nickcarraway
Wasn't Hitler a Christian?
>>Which ones?<<
I'll save that for the crevo threads. I'm making the general point here, as Ann has made the general points in her book.
Sort of like the Bible? I mean when they extract 14 books out of the Bible and hide that fact from the consumer, that is sort of liken to fraud. I mean if you are going to extract nearly 20%, you should at least have the decency to quit putting the original rev date on the cover. But no, that might hurt sales since the consumer would then know that he wasn't getting the 'real' bible, he was only getting half a bible.
>>What is our 'purpose'?<<
To please God. Why does a man make a motorcycle or a teddy bear? Does the bible not say we are made in God'd image? It makes it easy to understand the concept of making us - with a free will - to choose to have a relationship with him. And those of us that refuse? Well, if you made some self willed creature to have a relationship with you and after you created it it said "bug off" and walked away, what would you do with it?
Translated: "I will make up these things that I have no basis for and hope nobody will call me on it."
I really don't care what "SOME" ID sites say about science. There are all sorts of nuts out there on all sides of an issue.
I have never personally met a creationist or ID adherant that thought science itself and the study of creation was "evil" or even wrong.
But God is without sin. We can't be made in God's image.
>>Wasn't Hitler a Christian?<<
Um... No.
>>Translated: "I will make up these things that I have no basis for and hope nobody will call me on it."<<
You can take it any way you want. I will not use this thread to argue specifics. That is for a real, live crevo thread.
O.K. Now you have Jenny's questionnaire. Once you answer it, thus specifying what is "there" and what is "here," one of us can do our best to answer your question.
Guess where this comes from!
The central beliefs of Identity are that:
1) - The Biblical God, or Yahweh, created a single race in his own image - the White Race. These are the Chosen People. The message of the Bible, both Old and New testaments, is a message only for the White People. Only White People have souls, or have a hope of salvation. The identity of the White People - and hence the name Christian Identity - is that they are the Old Testament Israelites. Some Identity believers follow all of the dietary laws and prohibitions of the early chapters of the Bible, and the majority maintain a fundamentalist belief in the literal interpretation of Biblical texts. In their view, Christ himself was a blue-eyed, blond-haired Israelite, with absolutely no Jewish ancestry, or any connection to the Jews. To claim that Christ had a Jewish genealogy is, from the point of view of Identity, a blasphemy of the first order. The White People eventually became dispersed from Israel and settled in Northern Europe, Scandinavia, Britain, and eventually, in the ! USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. These White People are known as the Aryans, and where they live are the Aryan Nations.
2) - Before the creation of Adam and Eve, the God Yahweh created a second race. These are sometimes called "Mud People" in Identity literature, and are the ancestors of all people of color; Africans, Asians, Aboriginal Australians, African-Americans, and so on. These "Mud People" were intended by God to be the servants and slaves of the White People. They have no souls, are not truly human, and are not valued by God.
3) - The third race of people are the Jews. According to Identity, they were not created by God but by Satan. They are not the Old Testament Israelites, but have simply falsely assumed that ancestry in order to hide their evil origin, and as a cover for their Satanic purposes. The Jews have intermarried with the Mud People and created a variety of mixed racial groups in order to further insinuate themselves into the human community. Lacking souls, or even a conscience, they are able to devote themselves to their true task - the destruction of God's chosen people - the Aryans. The Jews do this through slyly pitting people of color against the Aryans; through taking control of the world banking and financial institutions; through the invention of socialism and communism; by taking control of the media and of the government; and by an endless conspiracy to seize global control through a One World Government.
4) - Identity theology maintains that any intermarriage between Aryans and non-Aryans automatically yields off-spring who are spiritually, biologically, and mentally degenerate, and who are soul-less. They believe that intermarriage is slowly polluting Aryan gene pools and destroying the Aryan peoples. Any Aryan who has mixed-race children, who marries a Mud person or a Jew, is a "race traitor." Race traitors, so defined, are frequently the objects of intimidation, assault, or murder. In the white racist State advocated by Aryan Nations and other militant Identity groups, race traitors would be summarily executed by the State. Parenthetically, the term "race traitor" is sometimes used in Identity literature to denote Aryans who are actively opposed to Identity, such as anti-fascist or anti-racist workers.
5) - Identity also maintains a strong belief in the Second Coming of Christ. Like many fundamentalist Christians, they believe that Christ will return soon and usher in the Millennium - a thousand years of God's Kingdom on earth. However, they also believe that Christ will not return until the Aryan people have done their duty and restored God's original plan; namely, the return of people of color to servant and slave status, and the genocide of the Jews.
That's awful selfish of the Almighty, don't you think? Is God so shallow He has to be given His props by mere mortals?
Name one.
Yes, he was. Unfortunately, your ignorance of history is not exactly shocking.
If nothing has changed, then why has the bible undergone thousands of changes?
hmmm. The Church has accepted heliocentricity over geocentricity. The Church has accepted evolution or instant creation.
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
"I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice..."
Amen.
except the mult Phd's in mult fields who do not hold to evolution - and they're not all dead yet
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