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Texas map ruling spurs gerrymandering (IL, NJ, NM, NY?)
Financial Times ^ | 6/28/06 | Holly Yeager

Posted on 06/28/2006 3:03:15 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana

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To: AntiGuv; All

The entire state of California. Our state has been gerrymandered for decades in favor of the Democrats.


41 posted on 06/28/2006 9:42:47 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Gentleman, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room - Dr. Strangelove)
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To: Torie

PPS. And I think maybe Matsui's CA-05 district too.


42 posted on 06/28/2006 9:44:20 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: Torie

Oh, and you might vaguely recall that I hypothesized a sixth Dem district as well, that would basically be cobbled together by meandering along the LA freeways much like that GA-13 district, except even more spiderweb like. LOL


43 posted on 06/28/2006 9:47:18 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: AntiGuv; Torie; All
It is not just one district here and another here. The entire state of California has been gerrymandered to guaranteed Democrats easy victories.
44 posted on 06/28/2006 9:57:09 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Gentleman, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room - Dr. Strangelove)
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To: Torie
Hey, I found this old link from 2001 that basically touches on all my hypothetical districts, except the San Diego area one: Public Interest Guide To Redistricting. They clearly seem to think another Dem district could be pulled around Sacramento.

Some key California congressional districts to watch:

3rd

Sacramento Republican Doug Ose could be a prime Democratic target. His current district has a 42% to 39% Democratic edge.

5th

Democrats may drain off some of Sacramento Democrat Robert T. Matsui's partisan supporters to weaken Republican neighbors Doug Ose or Richard W. Pombo. Matsui has plenty to spare, with a 53% to 29% Democratic edge in his district.

10th

Democrats hope to shore up Alamo Democrat Ellen O. Tauscher. Her district is split 42% Democrat, 40% Republican. Tauscher harbors statewide ambitions.

11th

Democrats would like to oust Tracy Republican Richard W. Pombo in a district where registration is split 45% Democrat to 43% Republican. But they may need to place heavily Democratic Stockton elsewhere to bolster the party in the Central Valley.

18th

Rep. Gary A. Condit of Ceres used to be so safe Democrats figured they could siphon off votes to undermine Republicans Doug Ose or Richard W. Pombo. No more. Democrats will have to bolster this district to keep it in party hands. Registration: 46% Democrat, 39% Republican.

23rd

If the two major parties fail to sign off on an incumbent-protection plan, Democrats may target Rep. Elton Gallegly of Simi Valley by making this marginal district (41% Democratic, 40% Republican) more Democratic. The same could happen to Los Angeles-area Republicans David Dreier of San Dimas and Gary G. Miller of Diamond Bar, who may have their districts collapsed or carved up.

38th

Long Beach Republican Stephen Horn is a prime Democratic target, as strategists consider dismantling his tossup district (49% Democratic, 48% Republican) to strengthen neighboring Democrats, including Jane Harman of Redondo Beach.

45 posted on 06/28/2006 10:03:03 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: AntiGuv
In Sacto you are going to raid Dems from whom, replaced by Pubbies. other than CD-01? It will take a lot of trading to create a new rather safe Dem district. CD-1 and CD-5 are about 3-2 Dem now, with CD 5 not having a lot of vote turnout. That CD can't tolerate too much trading. Here are the districts you want to collapse into two, against CD-1 and CD-5. Good luck.


					       Bush Mar
District	2	280,054	102,254	173,528	71,274
District	3	303,200	123,671	176,512	52,841
District	4	353,863	132,267	216,838	84,571

District        1	292,004	173,926	111,754	-62,172
District        5	205,338	125,378	77,788	-47,590





46 posted on 06/28/2006 10:04:00 PM PDT by Torie
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To: AntiGuv

I cheered when most of the GOP losses in 2000 were in California, because I knew those districts were dead ducks anyway, come 2002.


47 posted on 06/28/2006 10:07:31 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie

It'd be a tight fit to get both Pombo out and a new Dem district besides, but I think it'd be doable. That part of the state is full of Dem districts that can be raided for surplus Dem votes if one has total contempt for geographic coherence. What does it really matter anyhow? Even if Arnold loses the equation won't be any different than it was in 2001: The Dems can't get maps passed without the GOP taking it to a ballot referendum, and so the Dems won't try.


48 posted on 06/28/2006 10:09:42 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: AntiGuv
No, not really, unless you get erose districts out of the Bay area. Then you could do wonders, but then most of the current incumbents in the Bay area would have to retire, because they are kooks, and won't get many votes east of the mountains that ring the Bay, even from Dems. Here is another district thought that could be raided though:

District 10 289,508 169,373 117,037 -52,336

Bottom line, nothing will be done in California. I don't think the Dems are too interested in bagging Drier, and while Pombo is juicy, messing around for just one seat, just isn't worth it. As I say, he might be gone soon anyway.

49 posted on 06/28/2006 10:17:25 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie

We agree on the bottom line. The only place where I think there's a serious possibility that the Dems might redistrict before 2010 is New York if they take a majority in the state senate. Once they got over the shock of being back in control there I think they may very well rush to redistrict while they had the chance.


50 posted on 06/28/2006 10:22:20 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: garbageseeker

The Pubbies cannot win much more than they have now, without a GOP gerrymander in California. The geographic divides are quite stark. Plus, it would entail losing a couple of Hispanic districts in such gerrymander, and the Voting Rights Act just says no to that. Just ask Justice Kennedy. He is the expert. What could be done, is create a lot more marginal districts for both parties, maybe up to say ten districts, but neither party wants that. Oh the horror!


51 posted on 06/28/2006 10:24:10 PM PDT by Torie
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To: AntiGuv

Other than dumping Reynolds, King, and Foscella if they have the stomach to split Staten Island, the incumbent Dems won't tolerate it.


52 posted on 06/28/2006 10:25:55 PM PDT by Torie
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To: new yorker 77
The SCOTUS reasoned their case based on 60% of the state voting Republican but 17 seats being held by Democrats.

Did they? Can you point to the part of the ruling that said that? It seemed like the Court ruled that they don't want any part of adjudicating the political aspects of remapping, and thus only ruled narrowly on the VRA issue. They didn't say they approved or disapproved of either the 2001 map or the 2004 remap.

Besides, now 66% of Texas Congressmen are Republicans, while Texas voted 60% for Bush; meanwhile 40% of California Congressmen are Democrats, while Bush got about 44% of the vote in that state. If anything, that makes California's map more representative, although I'm not buying that discrepancies at that level count.
53 posted on 06/29/2006 5:44:13 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: FreedomPoster; pabianice

You can't create a safe Republican district in Massachusetts. I've played with the census data and it doesn't work.

You can possibly create three districts that Republicans have an even chance of winning: one in Essex County, one in Plymouth County and the Cape, and one in Worcester County. However, we have no bench, and the Democrats could put up strong candidates in any of those districts.

The real sin in the Boston map is how much of the state is represented by congressmen within a 10-mile radius of Boston. Nantucket, New Bedford, Framingham, and Taunton have Congressmen from Quincy, Newton, Medford, and South Boston.


54 posted on 06/29/2006 5:48:07 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: Torie

Illinois wasn't a Democrat plan. It was drawn by Dennis Hastert and Bill Lipinski to protect incumbents--which effectively froze the Republican advantage of the mid-1990s--while sealing the fate of David Phelps downstate. The legislature was still split between the parties before the 2002 legislative redistricting (which DID favor Democrats) so this was the only option that would fly.

Lane Evans' district is a Democrat homeland for all of central Illinois.

There are all sorts of tendrils in that map that kept specific challengers out of specific districts. David Phelps lived in that little hook at the end of the line stretching down the Indiana border.


55 posted on 06/29/2006 5:50:57 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: AntiGuv

"Ironically enough, although the GOP re-redistricting was struck down in that state under the prior uncertainty before this ruling, the Dem legislature could now easily enact new maps with a few statutory tweaks, assuming Ritter gets elected governor."



Colorado's 2003 legislative redistricting was struck down by the Colorado Supreme Court because it supposedly violated the Colorado constitution (not the U.S. constitution). Thus, the Texas case will not change anything, and Colorado will not be able to redistrict again until after the 2010 Census.


56 posted on 06/29/2006 7:46:53 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AntiGuv; Clemenza; Clintonfatigued; Torie; HostileTerritory

I've read the section of the opinion dealing with mid-decade redistricting, and when the majority ruled against the claims that (i) political intent could be inferred ipso facto and (ii) it violated one-man, one-vote because it used Census 2000 data, it described it in both instances as being *a legislative redistricting of a valid court-approved plan* (or words to that effect). I could be wrong here, but I don't think that the opinion necessarily gives the green light to re-redistricting in a state in which the legislature has already adopted a plan. If I represented Georgia Democrats, I would take the re-redistricting case to the Supreme Court, and I don't think we should assume that possible re-redistricting in New Jersey, etc. is a fait accompli.

As for potential NJ redistricting, I think they can maybe get rid of Ferguson and maybe either Sexton or LoBiondo but that they wouldn't be able to touch Garrett. Remember, Bush got 46% in NJ in 2004 and a NJ district that gave Bush 48%+ would be uphill for a Democrat House candidate.


57 posted on 06/29/2006 9:13:17 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AntiGuv; Torie; AuH2ORepublican; Clintonfatigued; Kuksool

The State Supreme Court was the sole reason why the IL GOP lost the State Senate in 2002, when they deliberately imposed pro-'Rat legislative lines. It was also similar undemocratic crackpot judicial "decisions" that kept the NJ GOP from drawing their own lines, and even Montana (!), which is clearly a GOP state (I believe Colorado, too, if I'm not mistaken), the latter two of which are ludicrously overrepresented by 'Rats. I can't think of one judicial decision that DELIBERATELY deprived the Democrats of a legislative majority as the Republicans seem to be. Of course, these are all Democrat judges, surprise, surprise.


58 posted on 06/29/2006 9:40:01 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Torie; AntiGuv; AuH2ORepublican

In Illinois, the Congressional Delegation was drawned up by Hastert and Lipinksi. The IL state legislature rubber stamped the plan. This was one good thing Hastert did as House Speaker. I doubt the RATS will redraw the lines.

As for the state level redistricting, then Gov George Ryan had the honor of picking an IL Supreme Court Justice to draw the lines. Ryan had to pick a RAT judge to redistrict. This was example of how destructive RINO Governors can be.


59 posted on 06/29/2006 9:50:42 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Most likely the Minnesota legislative redistricting hurt the 'RATs and was a contributing factor to their 2002 wipeout, along with the Wellstone pep rally. The court-ordered congressional district map was very favorable to Republicans.

Wasn't there something about a court-ordered map replacing Democrat legislative gerrymanders in North Carolina and Georgia, too?


60 posted on 06/29/2006 10:12:17 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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