Posted on 06/23/2006 12:37:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
"There was NO program set up to care for JA property"
You're a troll or something worse. I've posted you this information before, and you know it.
It's easily found, if you were interested in the truth. But you aren't.
Maybe you are a plaintiff in a class action lawsuit somewhere. But you clearly aren't interested in the facts on this.
You were responsible for making all arrangements yourself.
There is agitprop on the net that claims there was such a program, but no one ever provides a name or address where you might reach program operatives.
That a little rose-colored for me. Opportunists took advantage of the "fire sale" and that was not right. People lost heirlooms and property.
Shootings
Ito and Kanagawa
Shot and killed during Manzanar demonstrations, December 6, 1942.1
From a report prepared by Togo Tanaka (one of the demonstration's targets):
On the evening of Saturday, December 5, 1942, Frank Matsuda, a Nisei, formerly a Los Angeles restaurant owner and chairman of the Southern District JACL was beaten up by a gang and severely injured.
Early on the morning of December 6 several persons suspected by Masuda of being involved in his beating were ordered arrested. Among these was Dick Miwa, a Kibei junior cook, who for some time had been trying to organize the mess-hall workers and had publicly accused the Assistant Project Director and the Caucasian Chief Steward of theft of sugar and meat from evacuee warehouses. Reports of these charges were widely circulated and generally believed by the residents.
It is not plain that Masuda recognized positively any of his assailants but the bitter and contemptuous opposition of Miwa to the administration and its alliance with the hated JACL made him a natural suspect. Furthermore he could not account for his movements on the previous night. He was therefore taken to the county jail at Independence, California, while the other suspects were lodged in the project jail.
Popular resentment and reaction were immediate. By 1 P.M. a crowd had gathered near Miwa's former residence. A public address system had been set up, and J.Y. Kurihara, among others, made demands (1) for the unconditional release of Miwa, (2) for an investigation by the Spanish Consul of conditions at Manzanar, (3) for further action against Masuda and other inu in camp.
In the course of the meeting, "death lists" and "black lists" of alleged inu, most of whom were JACL collaborators with the administration, were read off. In addition to Masuda, individuals so listed included Tokutaro Slocum, a World War I veteran who had attained American citizenship (under the act of 1935), and who had openly boasted of his connections with the FBI and other intelligence agencies, and Togo Tanaka [author of this report] and Joe Masaoka, former JACL leaders who, serving as "documentary historians" for the WRA Reports Office, were under suspicion of informing on fellow evacuees.
An Issei informant reported, concerning this afternoon meeting, that "the majority sentiment is that they want Mr. Miwa released from jail; they are convinced he was framed and wrongly accused by Mr. Masuda, whose accusation [that Miwa beat him up] is believed to be only another of a list of bad things he has done against the Japanese. Some speakers even said they would `do a lot of killing tonight unless Miwa was released.'" Another Issei reported: "The meeting served to fire up the men with great zeal. Many speakers said that Miwa was being made a scapegoat by the administration because he had exposed the sugar fraud and had sacrificed himself for the people. They said that Masuda was in on the plot. It was decided that unless the administration released Miwa that night, the mess-hall workers would all go on strike the next day."
According to official reports Project Director Ralph Merritt met with evacuee representatives shortly after the noon assembly. Meantime he had requested military police to be in readiness to intervene, and they had lined up at the police station inside the project area. Merritt agreed to bring Miwa back to the project, but insisted that he be confined in the Manzanar jail.
Dissatisfied with this compromise, evacuees assembled again at 6 p.m The second Issei quoted above reported: "The evening meeting was much worse. They're going out to get about then or eleven inu, I can't remember all the men whose names were read off several times over the microphone. I don't know the man's name who made the speech and began calling off the names, but he was terribly excited. the first name called off to be killed was Mr. Masuda. They said that the hospital should be invaded and Mr. Masuda killed because the administration had refused to release Mr. Miwa, and that the Negotiating Committee had gotten no place at all with Mr. Merritt. The speakers were also excited about the soldiers who had been drawn up by the police station and said that as true Japanese `we should not be afraid to die in this cause as our brothers are dying for justice and permanent peace and the new order in Asia.' Most of the talk though was about the inu activities of the men on the `death list.'"
The assembled crowd split into two parts, one heading for the hospital to "get" Masuda, the other moving toward the project jail where Miwa was, by this time, confined. When Masuda could not be found (he had been hidden under a movable hospital bed), the part of the crowd that had headed for the hospital moved toward the barracks of half-a-dozen other alleged inu on the death list but, failing to locate the intended victims, joined up with the larger crowd and pushed toward the police station.
The Project Director called on the commanding officer of the military police, and authorized him to declare martial law. A detachment of soldiers shortly appeared, and forced the crowd away from the police station. The Assistant Project Director at this point called the FBI in Los Angeles requesting agents to come into the center and "get at the bottom of this thing." Evacuee spokesmen demanded audience with the Project Director and pressed the commanding officer for release of Miwa. They were refused. The soldiers, who had managed to push the crowd completely away from the police station, now lined up, armed with submachine guns, shotguns, and rifles. Evacuees jeered and made insulting gestures. The soldiers thereupon donned gas masks and threw a number of tear gas bombs into the crowd. The evacuees fled blindly in every direction and some were piled up against a telephone pole, covering it with blood. The crowd re-formed and the soldiers fired, without orders. Within two minutes after the gas bombs had been thrown, no evacuee was in sight except the wounded lying in the street. A short time later a small crowd re-formed and started a parked automobile, aiming the car at a machine gun emplacement. The car curved away from the machine gun, crashing through the northwest corner of the police station and finally stopped against one of the army trucks parked west of the police station. Several bursts were fired by the machine gunner at the car as it swung across the road. The empty car was hit several times, one of the bullets ricocheting and wounding a corporal of the military police.
In all, ten evacuees were treated for gunshot wounds and it was believed that several others were hurt but did not ask for treatment, from fear of implication in the affair. One evacuee died almost immediately. He was a young Nisei, one of whose brothers was then serving in the United States Army. A second evacuee, nineteen years old, died on December 11 from complications resulting from his wounds. Throughout the night military police, augmented by State Guardsmen, patroled the interior of the camp. Among the evacuees, shifts were arranged at each mess hall, and the bells tolled loudly and continuously throughout the entire night and late into the morning...
On Sunday morning (December 13), Masuda, Slocum, Masaoka, Tanaka and some twenty others on the death lists and black lists were, with their families, removed from Manzanar and taken to an abandoned CCC camp in Death Valley, from which two months later they were permanently resettled. Miwa, Kurihara, and others suspected of implication in the "riot" had been sent to the County Jail, and later moved to a Department of Justice Internment Camp (if aliens) or to a WRA Isolation camp at Moab, Utah (if citizens).2
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/8420/shootings.html
You didn't include the interviews with the shooters ~ Hosagawa says they admitted that they believed they were operating a concentration camp and that they acted accordingly.
"Simple, I know hundreds of people directly affected by the "relocation" program and no effort was made by the government to protect their property. You were responsible for making all arrangements yourself."
You are such a time-waster. (And liar.) You make these arguments on ever thread on this subject, and you get knocked down every time.
This is from the guy in charge of the evacuation/relocations:
Lt. Gen. John L. DeWitt's Final Report on the Evacuation of the Japanese - 1943
"6. In the orderly accomplishment of the program, emphasis was placed upon the making of due provision against social and economic dislocation. Agricultural production was not reduced by the evacuation. Over ninety-nine percent of all agricultural acreage in the affected area owned or operated by evacuees was successfully kept in production. Purchasers, lessees, or substitute operators were found who took over the acreage subject to relinquishment. The Los Angeles Herald and Express and the San Diego Union, on February 23, 1943, and the Tacoma News-Tribune, on February 25, 1943, reported increases not only in the value but also in the quantity of farm production in their respective areas.
7. So far as could be foreseen, everything essential was provided to minimize the impact of evacuation upon evacuees, as well as upon economy. Notwithstanding, exclusive of the costs of construction of facilities, the purchase of evacuee motor vehicles, the aggregate of agricultural crop loans made and the purchase of office equipment now in use for other government purposes, the entire cost was $1.46 per evacuee day for the period of evacuation, Assembly Center residence and transfer operations. This cost includes financial assistance to evacuees who voluntarily migrated from the area before the controlled evacuation phase of the program. It also covers registration and processing costs; storage of evacuee property and all other aspects of the evacuee property protection program. It includes hospitalization and medical care of all evacuees from the date of evacuation; transportation of evacuees and their personal effects from their homes to Assembly Centers; complete care in Assembly Centers, including all subsistence, medical care and nominal compensation for work performed. It also reflects the cost of family allowances and clothing as well as transportation and meals during the transfer from Assembly to Relocation Centers...
http://www.sfmuseum.org/war/dewitt0.html
You simply make up your material out of whole cloth and you are always proven wrong.
Why is that?
AFTER THE WAR some people got as much as 5 cents on the dollar for their lost land. No one got anything for lost real property (houses, barns, farm equipment), and most sales did not involve a willing buyer and seller.
Why you persist in believing the tales told by the criminals is beyond me. Are you perhaps fearful of what a title examination on your home would reveal? It can be arranged you know. It's pretty much like the way family heirloom samurai swords are identified and recovered!
You're backpedaling from your early claim, which used to loom large in your propaganda that NO Japanese were interned in Hawaii. But you're still wrong:
Sand Island, Hawaii
This was a U.S. Army Internment Camp, opened on December 8, 1941 and closed in March of 1943, holding people of Japanese ancestry (men and women), and Austrian, Finish, German, Italian and Norwegian nationals.
The camp was set up on December 8, 1941. It used the existing facilities of a quarantine station operated by the Public Health Service. The army had planned to use it as an internment camp since April of 1941 since it was on an island and could be guarded easily.
There were about 300 internees in the camp after only one week. The camp itself was divided into several sections, one for Japanese men, one for women of any race, and one for Germans and Italians. The camp commander spoke to the prisoners and told them they were prisoners of war.
After the meeting the Japanese males were taken outside, stripped and body searched and made to construct their own tents. The men were not allowed to stay in their tents other than to sleep and if they were sick, however.
The Army backtracked on what they called the internees, referring to them as detainees rather than prisoners of war. If they had actually been considered POWs, then the construction of the tents would have been a violation of the Geneva Convention.
The tents lacked floorboards. The internees were allowed no writing supplies and no newspapers. In January of 1942 a strip search of 164 male Issei internees was held when two spoons and a knife were reported missing after a meal. It turned out the missing utensils were in the kitchen the entire time. In July of 1942 the loudspeakers in each barracks were rigged to monitor inmate's conversations.
The women that were at the camp were often associated with Buddhism or Shintoism and were generally professional women, demonstrating again the government program of rounding up priests and leaders or potential leaders.
The camp itself was run in a manner which was meant on purpose to break the spirit of the detainees, with the people there being treated in a totally inhumane manner (sleeping in flooded tents, using cans and buckets as toilets, etc). Again, if they had been officially POWs then treating them in this manner very probably would have again violated the Geneva Convention, but by calling them detainees the army could get away with almost anything.
Honouliuli, Hawaii
This was a U.S. Army Internment Camp, opened in 1943 and closed in 1945, used to hold people of Japanese ancestry (male and female), and European nationals and POWs from the Pacific Theater.
The camp at Honouliuli was constructed to take over from Sand Island after March 1, 1943.There were 84 Issei and 154 Nisei internees in the camp. There were actually a number of camps which made up the Honouliuli camp including Kalaheo on Kauai (operated 1942-1944), Molokai (1942) and Lani (1942), Haiku on Maui (198201943), and Walakea on Hawaii(1942-1944). (Which is actually somewhat confusing to consider it as one camp; I'd consider it as six camps, myself, but the source I found listed it as just one camp.)
The peak population of the camp was 320. Females and POWs were kept in their own barbed-wire enclosures. If an inmate of Japanese descent wished to leave the camp and was eligible to do so, he or she was forced to sign a statement promising that he or she would not contest the imprisonment in court. Failure to sign would result in continued imprisonment.
The Walakea Prison Camp was particularly rough. You were given a month at hard labor for using profane or obscene language, three months for being "disorderly", and a year for having possession of what they considered to be too much money, or for having a Japanese flag.
Why are you such a liar? Why should anyone believe anything you say?
What you are doing is confounding legal US residents and citizens with FOREIGNERS.
This is a mistake usually made by Democrats in the Senate, not by Freepers.
Tell me now, are you aware of how much of what you are reading is retrospective propaganda designed solely to exonerate FDR?
Look at how many lies I've caught you in without even half trying.
Why don't you learn the facts and quit harping on "death camps" and other vicious canards of the America-haters.
I realize you have a personal stake in this. (Maybe you're hoping for a cash settlement.) But at least try to maintain some regard for the truth.
Another knowinng lie, because as I've mentioned, I've shown you it's a lie several times before:
U.S. RESERVE BANK TO AID ALIENS
Rep. John Tolan, heading the congressional committee investigating economic aspects of the evacuations, announced the treasury program.
The Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco was placed in charge of protecting alien property. Branch offices were planned for all major centers of population in the evacuation belt. Aliens were advised to contact the Reserve Bank for information, instructions and protection.
In the case of agricultural properties, on which crops may be growing, the Treasury said attempts would be made to arrange for leasing or selling the property or for continuing attention to the growing crops with a view of preventing their loss.
Secretary [Henry] Morgenthau said particular attention would be given to “protection of the property of such persons against fraud, forced sales and unscrupulous creditors.”
“Obviously, the emergency will cause financial loss to the group involved,” Secretary Morgenthau stated. “However, the program is intended to accord this group reasonable protection of their property interests consistent with the war effort.”
The Federal Reserve Bank was given “full authority to act without reference to Washington,” although it was pointed out “over-all control of all aspects of the evacuation must obviously rest in the military authorities.”
Mr. Morgenthau predicted that “the established integrity and ability of the Federal Reserve Bank will enlist the confidence of all the affected groups and discourage gouging by creditors or other self-seeking interests.”
The bank was directed to work “in close liaison” with the Federal Security Agency, U.S. Department of Agriculture and other Federal, state and local agencies in dealing with the property during liquidation.
“These agencies,” Secretary Morgenthau went on, “will undoubtedly be called upon by the military authorities to handle other aspects of the evacuation problem, such as transportation and resettlement of the evacuees, and their re-employment in new areas.”
The Treasury Department, it was stated, “will furnish the Federal Reserve Bank by airplane with the requisite number of trained experts to assist in working out the details of the program in the field and to participate in its execution.”
It was revealed that John W. Pehle, assistant to Secretary Morgenthau, already is in San Francisco to help the Reserve Bank put the program into effect.
Although some details are yet to be worked out, an outline of the program follows:
“A. Properly staffed offices under the direction of the San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank will be opened at once in the local communities from which evacuees will be moved.Additional announcements of evacuation plans, as well as the setting up of new military areas in interior states, was expected to be made soon by Lieut. Gen. John L. DeWitt, Western Defense Command and Fourth Army commander, and Tom C. Clark, Western alien co-ordinator.
“B. Announcement will be made throughout the area by the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco that its representatives in these offices are prepared to assist evacuees with the problem of liquidating their property and protecting them against those seeking to take unfair advantage of their plight.
“C. Those representatives will assist in putting the evacuees in a position to obtain buyers, lessee, and others users of their property on fair terms. In cases where the evacuee is unable to select his own agent to dispose of his property the Federal (Reserve Bank) will be prepared to act as agent for the evacuee under a power of attorney or similar arrangement and take steps to liquidate the property on fair terms.
“D. Evacuees threatened by creditors will be encouraged to come to the representatives of the Federal (Reserve Bank) for advice and guidance. The Federal (Reserve Bank) representative will also discuss the matter with the creditor with the view of working out a fair settlement and limiting the remedies that may be pursued by the creditors who threaten unfair action. By and large the mere existence of this program of helping evacuees will eliminate or forestall most of the sharp practices that are now feared.
“E. In some cases the property of the evacuee may be such that its real value can only be realized at a future time; e.g. Japanese novelties. In such cases the bank’s representative will assist the evacuee in arranging for the storage of such property if that is the wish of the evacuee.
“F. On agricultural properties, the bank’s representative, with the assistance of representatives of the United Stated Department of Agriculture, will attempt to arrange for the leasing or sale of such property or if need be for the growing of the crops, with the view to preventing their loss through inattention.
“G. The Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco and its representatives will be cloaked with adequate authority to cope with problems arising on the basis of existing circumstances. The program will be flexible and at all times the bank will attempt to keep matters on voluntary basis, satisfactory to the evacuee. When these efforts fail it may be necessary for the bank’s representative to step in and take the property over for the purpose of obtaining a fair and reasonable liquidation.
“It is expected that the setting up of this program and the accordance to the evacuees of facilities for the liquidation of their property should greatly expedite the departure on a voluntary basis of the evacuees from military areas.
“This program is being put into effect at the request of the secretary of war and will be carried out under the general direction of the local military authorities. Full authority has been delegated to the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco to carry out such a program.”
A committee from the Japanese American Citizens League, which represents American-born Japanese, was to confer during the day with Federal authorities on evacuation plans. The league has been meeting here since Sunday.
First stopping place outside the military areas for Japanese who do not make their own removal plans (under Government supervision) will be in the Owens Valley, where the Army is establishing a reception center. There the Japanese will be classified as to occupation, and sent to resettlement colonies. Mr. Clark outlined the plan to the league yesterday.
He said the communities would have their own Japanese doctors and merchants and would be given protection by military authorities “or whatever authorities are established.”
Asked by a delegate if Japanese would have unrestricted movement within the communities Mr. Clark said such problems must be settled individually. He explained the “amount of protection” necessary in each community would determine the freedom of movement.
Mr. Clark added that the control policy would not seek to divide families and would not attempt to undermine “prevailing wage rates” by conscripting Japanese-Americans for labor gangs.
He praised the Japanese for self reliance and reported that only 140 families required Federal aid in evacuating areas under previous orders which forced 3000 aliens to find new homes.
Colonel W.F. McGill, provost marshal of the Western Defense Command, told the league that an Army proclamation also will be issued “very soon” designating new military areas in which evacuees will not be permitted to settle.
Nobumitsu Takahashi, agricultural co-ordinator for the league, submitted a report to the conference asserting that removal of the Japanese would disrupt the California vegetable industry. He reported that Japanese truck farmers produced crops valued at 40 million dollars annually and that the “stand to lose approximately 100 million dollars in investments.”
Meanwhile General DeWitt announced that farmers who destroyed crops would be arrested as “saboteurs.” He said aliens guilty of such action would be subject to internment and citizens to prosecution.
San Francisco News
March 10, 1942
http://tinyurl.com/l4o4s
Sam, please, that's propaganda. It did not happen!
LOL
No. Nothing happened but your fantasy death camps.
Like I said, you are time waster.
And liar.
I think I'll continue to trust what the people involved experienced. Hey, I'll even continue to believe the man who drafted the Executive Order to hauled folks away to the camps ~ I heard him apoligise to Japanese American people for his part in the exercise.
Guy was quite elderly and was visiting all sorts of events with JAs to give them his personal and most heartfelt apology.
Yes, I will believe him, but not you.
"You're 99.99993% correct, but there was a one room office in San Francisco for "Alien Property Disposition'.
Hardly sufficient to handle the incredible workload thrush upon them."
More BS, just pulled out of thin air.
In fact, the most of the Japanese didn't avail themselves of this protection. Some of the reasons I've mentioned.
They had already panicked and sold off. (This operation didn't go into effect until March, and many had sold their property right after Pearl Harbor).
They didn't trust the government.
They thought they could get a better deal by selling rather than renting.
They thought they would never return. (And many, probably most, didn't.)
I have documents and photographs.
You have the bizarre fantasies of someone who is determined to be a victim.
Someone who has shown that they are willing to make up anything, any lie, to advance their preposterous claims.
Quit trolling.
Sam, you have photographs created for the purpose of making things look rosey.
You're insane.
Do you even know who Ansel Adams is?
And there are literally thousands of photos available.
Where are the pictures of the death camps?
As I've said, you know NOTHING about this issue. Which you proved on other threads where you made the most preposterously uninformed claims.
But because you claim to know somebody who knows somebody who went through it, you are obdurate in your ignorance.
Well, go stew in it. What do I care?
But don't expect to go unchallenged every time you post your ignorant agit-prop.
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