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The Dixie Chicks may not join in, but three cheers for Germany's patriotism
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 06/23/06 | Gerard Baker

Posted on 06/22/2006 4:29:24 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: Fiji Hill
It would be more than a century before the US would appoint a Jewish Secretary of State.

Upper-crusty antisemitism didn't get going until the 1870's in the U.S. Not sure where it came from, or why, but I recall reading that its first manifestations were in resort society in upstate New York back then.

Although U.S. Grant did issue some restrictive regulations (with harsh comments) on Jewish business agents who followed the Army around the South.

101 posted on 06/24/2006 10:21:51 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Pokey78

I'm no communist, but in all honesty I think one of the finest national anthems I've ever heard is that of the old Soviet Union. It's quite majestic sounding.


102 posted on 06/24/2006 10:29:43 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Old_Mil
It's this one, not the new one that Putin adopted.
103 posted on 06/24/2006 10:34:07 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: staytrue
Frankly it is because I'm asian and I know no way in hell will the white guys ever let me be the boss.

Mutatis mutandis, I know a white woman who works for a Chinese-American-owned business with lots of business ties to China. She knows which way the wind blows over there, and her Chinese bosses make no bones about it. She knows she's kwai loh.

Likewise, I worked for a Jewish-owned jewelry store 32 years ago. I thought that, as a geologist who'd studied (of course) mineralogy and X-ray diffraction methods, I might have a leg up as a potential jeweler. How naive. The jewelry counter was where the real money was made, and the jewelry salesmen were the only commission-earning employees in the store. They made serious money. We made subminimum wage. And I found out pretty quick, I wasn't going to get a shot at the jewelry counter, ever -- I was a gentile. No way for me. Oh, and I didn't get the seven extra Jewish holidays a year, either, or the 10% pay differential paid to Jewish employees, and if I'd had kids, they wouldn't have had shots at summer jobs there like the Jewish employees' kids did. Too bad, so sad, poor little shagitz boy, didn't get a shot at the better job inside the company.

So I went out and got a real job, instead. Went back to that place two or three years later, and it hadn't changed a bit. Same sleepwalking employees, same old deal. But I'd moved on, and was making more than double my old pay. Glad I got laid off so they could give my job to that black guy they'd brought in at a wage 20% lower than mine.

A couple of years ago, I saw cooks at this greasy spoon where I often got breakfast giving the white waitresses a hard time. I asked a couple of them about it, and it turned out that these three cooks were just really sanding them down any way they could. The cooks were illegals from Mexico, and they were trying to get the white women to quit so their jobs would come available for hermanas.

I came back a couple of months later, and the waitresses were still there, but the cooks were gone. Ooops. Didn't work that time.

104 posted on 06/24/2006 10:40:12 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Last night I went to an event honoring Sandra Day O'Connor.

She graduated 3rd in her class from Stanford Law and she went about getting a job. She did exactly the same things as the men did to get a job, but she did not even get an interview let alone a job.

She did say that times had changed much since then and women now get a very fair shake.


105 posted on 06/24/2006 11:16:47 PM PDT by staytrue (Moonbat conservatives-those who would rather have the democrats win.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Frankly it is because I'm asian and I know no way in hell will the white guys ever let me be the boss.

Staytrue may be interested to know that although my ancestors came from transalpine Europe, my immediate boss is an immigrant from Asia (Iran), and the head of our organization is of Mexican and Spanish descent. And i get along with them just fine.

106 posted on 06/25/2006 8:04:01 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Old_Mil
The chorus of the Hymn to the Soviet Union , roughly translated, is as follows:
Glory to our fatherland, glory to our freedom
We come together to defend the hopes of our people.
Flag of the Soviets, flag of the people.
Carry it from one victory to another.

One of the lines in the second verse reads, "Stalin has raised us in loyalty to the masses, inspired us to labor and heroic deeds." After Khrushchev denounced Stalin, the song was only played instrumentally but not sung, and one could even get in trouble for singing it.

I have a couple of recordings of this song from the 1940's and an instrumental version from 1975.

107 posted on 06/25/2006 8:18:31 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: staytrue
Frankly it is because I'm asian and I know no way in hell will the white guys ever let me be the boss.

Quit your whining - you're starting to sound like Jesse Jackson. People don't "let" you be boss. You get there by being so good at what you do, that people cannot afford it if you aren't. I get really irritated when I hear fellow Asians express this sort of sentiment. It's one thing to have black kids out of the ghetto who have been raised by government schools saying this, but you - you know better.
108 posted on 06/25/2006 8:32:22 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: staytrue
She did say that times had changed much since then and women now get a very fair shake.

If by that you mean:

then I agree with you.

109 posted on 06/25/2006 9:01:21 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Pokey78
Nationalism, of course, has long been a dirty word. It is generally deemed to have consigned Europe to almost continuous war between the early 19th century and the mid-20th century. And so it did.

Ahem. Don't think so.

Nationalism did not consign Europe to "continuous war", ever. Nothing did, because they didn't have "continuous war."

That's the first point.

Second point, Napoleon started the Napoleonic Wars, nationalism didn't. Nationalism was stirred up by European monarchs responding defensively to the threat posed by Napoleon's massive, ably-led armies. Napoleon had inherited, or rather taken into receivership, the concept of "people's war," which was originally the response of the Directoire to the threat of the superior abilities of the professionalized European armies ranged against the French Revolution.

Third point, with the exception of World War I, the European wars of the 19th and 20th centuries were caused, moved, precipitated, by personalities not "isms" -- specifically, by two of Nostradamus's three "great tyrants," the third of whom, "the man in the blue turban," has yet to appear but is now due to do so. If you like Nostradamus.

There has been a move afoot in historiographical circles to deny the importance of the single actor in history for about 80 years now, pari passu with the Marxist political cabal in academe. That fact -- that derangement of facts -- needs to be kept in mind and not emulated.

110 posted on 06/25/2006 9:41:44 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: danmar
....the Belgian family on the verge of stand off with the "elites" for not observing/signing the required UN approved BS while home schooling?

Hadn't heard about that one at all. You mean, The New York Slimes isn't putting out the whole story?


</shocked, shocked>

111 posted on 06/25/2006 9:50:44 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Restorer
can you NAME even one person who believed either Blacks and/or Indians were equal to the whites??? and i don't mean someone who SAID they believed it, while being a bigot in FACT.

free dixie,sw

112 posted on 06/25/2006 12:03:57 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Restorer
may i gently suggest that you go read the works of Professor H R Blackerby, late of Tuskegee University??? his book, BLACKS IN BLUE & GRAY, is a classic.

MANY northern corporations like banks, insurance companies, railroads, shipping companies, etc OWNED slaves, mostly through "off-shore, nominee stock companies" or "holding companies".

when slavery became UNPROFITABLE in the north,the VAST MAJORITY of the northern slave owners SOLD their slaves "south" & to the Caribbean. to the FILTH that "made their living" by engaging in "the human flesh trade" PROFIT was EVERYTHING!

sorry, but i'm NOT going to let you try to WHITEWASH the hypocrites in the NORTH, while bashing southerners constantly.

free dixie,sw

113 posted on 06/25/2006 12:13:06 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Restorer
NOT according to the PROPERTY TAX RECORDS of the dixie states OR "common sense". the TAX MAN always "gets his pound of flesh"!

the VAST majority of southerners were TOO POOR to own a slave, even had they wanted to. the TRUTH is that there were relatively FEW slave owners in dixie, but that those who DID own slaves owned MANY. (for example, in my home county in 1860, there were 3 total slavers. one owned one (his WIFE), one had 2 slaves & one had MANY.)

according to the TAX RECORDS the percentage of overall slave-ownership was about 5.75%.

peddle your "statistics" elsewhere. as my grandfather used to say, "figure don't lie, but liars sure figure."

114 posted on 06/25/2006 12:19:28 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: musicman
LOL!

free dixie,sw

115 posted on 06/25/2006 12:20:26 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: 1066AD

Priceless.


116 posted on 06/25/2006 12:59:43 PM PDT by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal)
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To: Old_Mil

Perhaps you should read what Sandra O'Connor said friday night.

It is post 105.


117 posted on 06/25/2006 7:04:16 PM PDT by staytrue (Moonbat conservatives-those who would rather have the democrats win.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

regarding 109

maybe payback is a bitch.


118 posted on 06/25/2006 7:06:06 PM PDT by staytrue (Moonbat conservatives-those who would rather have the democrats win.)
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To: stand watie
when slavery became UNPROFITABLE in the north,the VAST MAJORITY of the northern slave owners SOLD their slaves "south" & to the Caribbean.

I've often wondered about this. As slavery was outlawed in successive northern states, what happened to the existing (few) slaves in those states? Were they freed or were they sold South before the law went into effect? I've never been able to find any statistics on the subject.

Slaves certainly weren't sold from the north to British or French Caribbean islands, as slavery was outlawed in those islands early in the 19th century and the slave trade earlier yet.

The Spanish islands allowed slavery for a short time longer than the US did, but I strongly suspect slave prices were higher in the US than in Cuba or PR, so it is likely very few slaves were ever sold out of the US.

119 posted on 06/26/2006 4:01:21 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: lentulusgracchus
Upper-crusty antisemitism didn't get going until the 1870's in the U.S. Not sure where it came from, or why

This is all very logical. Prior to the latter 19th century most American Jews were upper-class Sephardim whose ancestors had been here since long before the Revolution. They were completely assimilated in all but religion.

In the late 19th century huge masses of poor, uneducated German, Russian, Polish and other Eastern European Ashkenazim began arriving and concentrated into terrible slums in the major cities, complete with awful crime and disease. They appeared to be poor prospects for assimilation and Americans reacted to them negatively even more than they did to immigration at the same time by poor uneducated Irish or Italian peasants.

All of these groups have since assimilated quite well.

120 posted on 06/26/2006 4:10:00 AM PDT by Restorer
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