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Evolution: World science academies fight back against creationists
PhysOrg.com ^ | 21 June 2006 | Staff

Posted on 06/21/2006 8:33:46 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: dmz

"That was the source of my amusement and amazement. That several freepers besides myself were tossing that around.
"

There's a bunch of us old farts around here, I think.


501 posted on 06/22/2006 6:34:54 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: MineralMan
From RightWhale's link I would say that his measurement was not flawed and was way ahead of it's time.

Date Author Method Result (km/s) Error
1676 Olaus Roemer Jupiter's satellites 214,000
1726 James Bradley Stellar Aberration 301,000
1849 Armand Fizeau Toothed Wheel 315,000
1862 Leon Foucault Rotating Mirror 298,000 +-500
1879 Albert Michelson Rotating Mirror 299,910 +-50
1907 Rosa, Dorsay Electromagnetic constants 299,788 +-30
1926 Albert Michelson Rotating Mirror 299,796 +-4
1947 Essen, Gorden-Smith Cavity Resonator 299,792 +-3
1958 K. D. Froome Radio Interferometer 299,792.5 +-0.1
1973 Evanson et al Lasers 299,792.4574 +-0.001
1983 Adopted Value 299,792.458

502 posted on 06/22/2006 6:38:30 AM PDT by OmahaFields
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To: MineralMan

Old fart? Moi?

Just becasue I know about the Freak Brothers doesn't mean I fall into that demographic. I think I learned about them from my (much) older sister. Oh wait... I forgot I don't have one. There must be something else I'm forgeting. Hmmm...


503 posted on 06/22/2006 6:56:20 AM PDT by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: MineralMan

How to spell "because" would be one thing that comes to mind.


504 posted on 06/22/2006 6:58:35 AM PDT by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: SaveUS

"(I like Creo I think I'll keep using it)

I prefer Genesisist. It has lots of hissing, and it's harder to spell....


505 posted on 06/22/2006 7:00:50 AM PDT by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: Virginia-American; BaBaStooey
No, it was supposed to be evidence for [the notion then prevailing in England that human evolution was brain-led] about human origins.

The old Ape-man vs Dawn-Man argument: fun while it lasted.

But Creationists won't let it die, too easy to argue "look these two groups of scientist prove each other wrong, why not just believe the Truth of Middle-Eastern Mythology"

506 posted on 06/22/2006 7:17:07 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (No Christian will dare say that [Genesis] must not be taken in a figurative sense. St Augustine)
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To: Ken H; Obadiah
Each person has an inborn knowledge of the Creator.

The overwhelming majority of people will be of the same the religion as their families

Ah, But is the reason environment or heredity?

507 posted on 06/22/2006 7:24:23 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (No Christian will dare say that [Genesis] must not be taken in a figurative sense. St Augustine)
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To: MineralMan

So, then, yes....the connection is upheld.

Thanks.


508 posted on 06/22/2006 7:54:49 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: JCEccles
My new twin granddaughters, born just nine hours ago.

Adorable babies.

What that has to do with the validity of the evolutionary process (the understanding of which does not require 'faith', only knowledge of the data), I have no idea. Plenty of us who aren't 'bigoted' can recognize the beauty of a newborn baby & God's role in life and still properly recognize the boundaries between proper science and religion (something proponents of intelligent design seem to have problems with).

Congratulations, though, they truly look precious.

509 posted on 06/22/2006 8:08:34 AM PDT by Quark2005 ("Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs." -Matthew 7:6)
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To: xzins

If I was a betting man, I would wager that that same junior high science book you remember also talked about clouds. And light bending through a prism. And the mechanics of fire. Are they therefore related in some way to the theory of evolution, too?


510 posted on 06/22/2006 8:16:07 AM PDT by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: 2nsdammit

"I prefer Genesisist."

Hmm, can I use that too? I've noticed that posting the truth gets more and more agitating to the Kreeots, so any missspellled word or word that I use that is not in their narrowly defined dictionary is what they like to jump on to prove they are right.
Genesisist. I like that. It is sort of like Philanderererer, you just can't quite end it.


511 posted on 06/22/2006 8:21:05 AM PDT by SaveUS
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To: SaveUS

Be my guest!


512 posted on 06/22/2006 8:23:49 AM PDT by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: highball

specific reference, please...


513 posted on 06/22/2006 8:41:07 AM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of a Cancer on Society)
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To: Coyoteman

There is indication of global flood in the geological evidence. It's all in how you look at the evidence.


514 posted on 06/22/2006 8:42:18 AM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of a Cancer on Society)
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To: 2nsdammit

Doesn't follow.

You might look through the posts again, too. I don't think I said Jr. Hi. Ping me if you find it.


515 posted on 06/22/2006 8:45:09 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: TheBattman
There is indication of global flood in the geological evidence. It's all in how you look at the evidence.

The global flood is supposed to have occurred ca. 2350 BC.

Evidence from that time period is not geological, it is archaeological and sedimentological, that is, in the soils not in the rocks.

This is an easy time period to examine. Archaeologists examine this time period day in and day out. I have done so for quite a few years in the western US.

There is no evidence for a global flood. There are nice local floods in eastern Washington (google 'channeled scablands'), but it is pretty well understood in terms of date, origin, and extent. If we can understand these floods, at the end of the glacial episode, some 10-12,000 years ago, just think how easy it would be for us to study a bigger flood only 4300 years ago.

Instead, what we see is cultural continuity across this time period. The soils are not discontinuous, as you would expect. The mtDNA of people before and after this date are limited to the five founding Native American haplogroups, with no sudden change to Middle Eastern (e.g., Noah's family) mtDNA. The fauna and flora also are continuous.

In summary, no evidence for a global flood in the areas in which I work.

516 posted on 06/22/2006 8:51:22 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: TheBattman

Leviticus 11:19, according to my KJB.

Is that a typo that creates a factual error, or just a factual error?


517 posted on 06/22/2006 8:52:11 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: xzins

Mea Culpa - you didn't say Jr. High.

Of course, that's where generally one sees the introduction to the theory, so you can understand my belief.

By the way, when WERE you first taught the theory?


518 posted on 06/22/2006 9:07:34 AM PDT by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: SaveUS
So Crevo, instead of Creo? LOL!

"Crevo" as in "creation-evolution." Thus, "a crevo thread."

"Creo" for creationist. I believe I first saw jennyp using it. My reaction was, "That's fantastic! The Latin for 'I believe' and a decent contraction to boot."

Alas! It's the Spanish for "I believe." A guy with a Latin screenie can embarrass himself making goofs like that.

519 posted on 06/22/2006 9:16:14 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: highball

What typo or "factual error"?

Part of the "law" given to God's people - what problem wtih "bat" do you have? Are you saying that there are not bats in that geographical area, or weren't any at that time in history? "Fowls" in that time period included all flying creatures. Are bats not flying creatures? I fail to see any problems, but I'm sure you will dig up something to try to convince me otherwise...


520 posted on 06/22/2006 9:17:48 AM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of a Cancer on Society)
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