Posted on 06/14/2006 3:57:43 PM PDT by wagglebee
You crack me up.
Well, maybe you have a point but I'm not sure that there aren't all kinds of reasons that make it very difficult for the fellow to do what you suggest. For one, he may be as poor as a church mouse and can't afford to do anything other than leave his kid in there.... who knows how much his stance has cost him in the wallet. Perhaps you know something about the man's personal financial status. If so, enlighten me..... or are you saying that if a person who that can't afford to do what you suggest, they should just shut up? Further, it may be that in principle, he truly supports the public school system.....and never in his wildest dreams would have imagined what would have happened to his youngster.
Those are excellent points! Awesome. :)
Didn't know you could do that. Thanks. :) I'd love to do that sometime.
You are just flat wrong and you seem determined to be wrong. State law clearly stated that schools HAVE to give parents the right and final say to opt their children out of materials they find offensive and let them know when those materials are to be presented so the parents can hold their children out of them. THE SCHOOL REFUSED TO DO THAT, and REFUSED TO GIVE THE PARKERS THE RIGHT TO OPT THEIR SON OUT OF THE GAY MATERIAL. It can't be made clearer than that. You are operating under a false sense of the facts at hand. The school violated the law. Period. The rest of your argument is flawed by your misinterpretation of that fact.
And I don't enjoy talking to you but I can't just let you misrepresent the facts of this matter. The school broke the law, and charging Mr. Parker with breaking any law after that point is hypocritical and ignoring the fact that the school violated the law first, and the police ignored it, which forced Mr. Parker to take to measures he would have never have had to if the school had simply obeyed state law, which Governor Romney re-enforced with his public comments which were totally in support of Mr. and Mrs. Parker. Do you have some gay agenda you believe should be pushed on kids or something? Because you seem bent on twisting this to be Mr. Parkers fault and ignoring the fact that the school clearly and willfully violated state law and denied the parents their rights as parents of their child. Those are facts in evidence and not open to interpretation. It's black and white and very clear.
Oh, so because you can't defeat my argument, you say I'm not a conservative. Got anything to back that up? I've lived in Texas over 30 years, voted Republican since I was 18, voted for Bush and Dole and W both times, and served as a delegate to the Texas Republican convention more than once, so go check the body of my posts and find one I've ever made that aren't conservative in ideological nature. good luck. :)
That is just flat not true. IT was made clear in the first reports of this that he requested his child be opted out of those materials, in person, when he was at the school, and they refused. Why are you trying to deny that when it's been made very clear in the reporting of this story? IT's right there in the timeline. Why are you arguing things that are in fact and so clear? And if you're a conservative, why are you arguing this with people? Do you believe it's appropriate to teach homosexual lifestyle and the agenda to six year olds??? That's the only logical reason for someone lining themselves so against the Parkers on this.
Well that's pretty much it. The only way you can put the onus for this on the Parkers if is someone has a gay agenda they want to push. It's a long proven fact here that some DUers come here and pose as "conservatives" trying to create dissent with real conservatives. And then those accuse the real conservatives like me, of not knowing the meaning of the word conservative. Yet for that to be true, that would mean I'm a liberal, coming here, saying ONLY conservative things and agreeing with conservative values, and pushing them up, and not disagreeing with conservatives. Yeah, that's logical. What DU troll has ever done that? :) If I'm a liberal, then the democrats are REALLY in trouble in November, because I'm voting for Republicans. :)
But how you can compare that to the Parkers is really amazing. If the school hadn't refused to opt him out of the gay material you'd have a point, but that is what happened. Though you still make no sense being here and basically arguing that schools have the right to teach gay materials to six year olds, especially since prayer and God and the Bible are totally outlawed in schools, nad teaching them that would get school taken to court and teachers fired for violating the seperation of church and state, which appears no where in the Constitution or Bill of rights.
Excellent points.
AHAH!! I thought so. MACVSOG68 is a pro-gay rights / gay marriage / gay agenda in school advocate and using gay agenda websites for his/her information. It was so obvious I wasn't posting to a real conservative. You can just tell. :) Good "gotcha" post you made there!!! :) Good job.
Absolutely. But that is not what happened. The school agreed to the request by Parker (see the emails). Then after the agreement, Parker asked for a meeting in which he raised his demand to any discussion at all. Of course, that was impossible to agree to, since a child might bring the subject up in class. Stopping the class or refusing a simple question until Parker could be contacted was out of the question.
THE SCHOOL REFUSED TO DO THAT, and REFUSED TO GIVE THE PARKERS THE RIGHT TO OPT THEIR SON OUT OF THE GAY MATERIAL. It can't be made clearer than that.
No, the school only did that after Parker was arrested and his trial. Then Parker filed a lawsuit, which was the proper course of action.
And THAT in post 355 is why I kept talking to you despite my early on frustration with you. Because I just KNEW that you were not a conservative from how you were talking, and now it's proved that you get your info from pro-gay agenda websites and the position that is fighting against the Parkers and in favor of schools having the right to teach the homosexual lifestyle to small innocent children to brain wash them into the gay lifestyle. If you believe that way, that's fine, it's your RIGHT to believe that way, but please, at least respect those of us here who do not believe that and just be honest and say what you believe, instead of trying to twist facts that we know are true, and pretend to be conservative. It's so disrespectful to pretend to be something you are not. If you believe in the gay agenda then just defend it and say so, don't be dishonest and pretend to be conservative, in doing so you are being deceitful and not standing up for what you really believe in. :)
Whatever you say. :) You've been proven to have an oppostion agenda here and you get your "facts" from a biased source that has the gay aganda as their driving force. Your logic is flawed, and your arguments only hold water if you ignore certain facts and manipulate others. The media bias in this not reporting this child being beaten up proves the truth of this. If he was the adopted or natural child of a pay parents or parents, this would have been all over the news. But because it was the child of straight Christian conservative parents, the media doesn't even say boo, especially since the parents were fighting to force the school to obey state law which gave the parents concent authority for materials taught in school. Your argument it from the opposite side of the aisle than what most people here represent. This back and forth serves no purpose. You are wrong but you have the right to believe as you see fit. That's your right. But if you're going to post here, you need to recognize the fact that the overwhelming majority of people do not support the indoctination of small children into the gay aganda. That's just the reality of this situation, and is why your mindset is a small minority in this country.
Again, you are incorrect. See the emails.
From that point forward, you can't charge Mr. Parker with a crime, without charging the school with a crime, because the school broke the law first, and any laws that Mr. Parker broke were in retaliation to the school taking away his parental rights, and breaking state law, and the police did not enforce state law, which makes them culpable also.
You fail to distinuish between criminal and civil law. Parker violated criminal laws when he refused the police request to leave and was charged with trespass. If the school violated anything, then Parker should have taken it up with the school board, and filed suit. The police did nothing wrong.
And I don't enjoy talking to you but I can't just let you misrepresent the facts of this matter.
Then don't talk to me. I don't enjoy talking to anyone who is completely consumed by emotion, and who simply wants the facts to agree with her picture. Sometimes they do not.
Do you have some gay agenda you believe should be pushed on kids or something?
Is that all you people can do? My agenda is the truth, not anything else. If that equals a gay agenda in your mind, so be it. Even if you were right, Parker had no right to violate the law when many options remained for him. He also left his kid in that school for two years now. Must not be too bad, huh?
When he went there BEFORE those emails, he told them he wanted to opt his son out of those materials and the school refused. Governor Romney has backed the Parker's position on this and that says it all. Quit beating a cow that you insist is a horse. You are wrong. It's silly that you keep arguing the sky is pink when we all know better. :)
You've got it backwards. You were the one telling one of your friends I was not the conservative. But as long as we're on the subject, anyone so consumed with anger and emotions who refuses to see the real picture because it conflicts with her values (however they are defined) and who will tolerate any amount of lies and misrepresentations if it fits their world-view, and who will castigate anyone who disagrees does not represent any kind of conservative values I am familiar with.
Again your arguments are so silly. It's okay for the school to violate civil law, but it's unforgivable for Mr. Parker to break a criminal law, which didn't harm anyone, and which he wouldn't have had to break if the school hadn't first broken the states law on parental rights. That's just crazy and beyond illogical. And how have I been emotional? I just keep pointing out facts of the case as most others here have. I don't need to get emotional, especailly the last 3/4rs of my posts because NOW I know where you're REALLY coming from. So no need for any emotion from me on this because I know I'm right and most Americans agree with my position on this. You're out of touch with most Americans and American tradition and family values. Accept that and move on.
After you post in 372, I am no longer going to post to you, and ask you to respect that with me. Do not post to me again.
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